is my love for metal dying?

Thy Serpent · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:33 pm

heatseeker wrote:

if someone asks me today if I like AC/DC , the honest answer would be "no".

Wow ! I got company.

leee · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:37 pm

Eternal Idol wrote:

I always knew you were one of the "It's just a phase crowd." The doors to the Hall will glady close right in your face.

Who me? It has been a phase sinse I was 13, that is like 24 years, I think a 5 year break was ok, that doesn't mean I didn't listen to it, I just stopped buying shit because didn't like it. Earaches "Suck a hard one" changed all of that though in like 95 or 96. Whatever year Heartwork came out.

I think 2000+ CD/LP's and Cassestes in that time, not to mention shows, concerts, DVD's etc makes it a little beyond the phase period........

Misha · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:53 pm

leee wrote:

Husker wrote:

i think so, i still like metal a lot and all but i listen to to much other stuff now i dont know guys, it's like all styles of music except the new pop-emo bullshit is good.

LISTEN TO M83

It happens, I didn't listen to metal from 91 to about 96. and that started really in 89 when I discovered NIN and some other bands (I never went as gay as liking rap though, sounds like some chick influence there). Breaks are good. You will see though when you come back to it, that metal is the broadest greatest form of music ever. The rest of the stuff either dies out or goes to commercial or gets water downed so much it never matters again, with Metal there is always something underground, changing or being innovative.

Dude, you seriously believe that? Metal is not exactly underground, every-fucking-one knows what metal is. It's also one of the most NOT-innovative genres, and it's certainly not the broadest genre. There's some good bands innit though.

leee · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:02 am

Misha wrote:

leee wrote:

Husker wrote:

i think so, i still like metal a lot and all but i listen to to much other stuff now i dont know guys, it's like all styles of music except the new pop-emo bullshit is good.

LISTEN TO M83

It happens, I didn't listen to metal from 91 to about 96. and that started really in 89 when I discovered NIN and some other bands (I never went as gay as liking rap though, sounds like some chick influence there). Breaks are good. You will see though when you come back to it, that metal is the broadest greatest form of music ever. The rest of the stuff either dies out or goes to commercial or gets water downed so much it never matters again, with Metal there is always something underground, changing or being innovative.

Dude, you seriously believe that? Metal is not exactly underground, every-fucking-one knows what metal is. It's also one of the most NOT-innovative genres, and it's certainly not the broadest genre. There's some good bands innit though.

respond to this later in detail

Anonymous · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:39 am

Eternal Idol wrote:

I always knew you were one of the "It's just a phase crowd." The doors to the Hall will glady close right in your face.

Um i still listen to tons of metal, i just like other genres to.

noodles · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:42 am

Metal is cool because you can combine it with practically any other style of music, this makes the possibilities for what bands can do with it very, very big.

Anonymous · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:12 am

Misha wrote:

Thanks for the insult. Why do you mind the fact so much that I bring everybody dissing nu-metal constantly and you making a problem about it in contact with your preference of some nu-metal bands, isn't that entirely logical?

My insult was only in response to yours. You know by bringing up the nu-metal thing you're trying dearly to push my buttons.

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Dude, I know that you have a broad taste in music, you say it's broader than Stefan's and mine together, and we all know that's ridiculous, but you're open-minded and I respect that. Maybe it's something personal, you admitted that you have a problem with people that have a different opinion, you "can't let it go", in your own words.

You're misquoting me. I said I have issues occasionally with letting things go, but I never said the reason was because people have a different opinion than me. That's ridiculous. 90% of the bands I post about here are bands that other people claim they dislike. There would be flamewars up and down this forum if what you're suggesting is correct. Yes, occasionally online I have a tendency to draw something out longer than necessary. But it is in no way a result of me not being able to handle someone having a different opinion.

And yes, my tastes are broader.

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I have the same problem sometimes. When people say "it sucks" about the music I like, then it annoys me because they don't tell me what sucks, so I can't respond to any point they made because they didn't give any factually wrong information or interpretations. Maybe this annoys you too? In my case, however, people generally just don't care and don't say "it sucks" because they have not heard it, in your case you just get thirty people smiting the band you like. Conclusively, I can very well imagine you have a big problem with that, it must be very annoying.

It sure is annoying. And stupid.

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But that does not have anything to do with people not being allowed to smite bands they previously liked, it's very much the same as smitingbands you've never liked. There is no difference. So the question pops up whether one is allowed to smite bands, and I don't see why not, freedom of speech etc. People might make themselves appear dumb if they continue it for too long, but that's not our problem. I think Holy Terror is a very silly person with his elite bullshit, but that's his choice and I don't want to bother with it.

People are allowed to do whatever they please. I just don't think it makes any sense slandering something you used to enjoy. Music isn't drugs or alcohol; to me it doesn't make sense to turn around and go, "Yeah, I used to love it, but that shit fucking sucks!" But people are free to dislike something after a time. I just don't see how you can once like something, then declare it terrible.

Anonymous · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:16 am

Misha wrote:

The Ghost of Eyesore wrote:

And Misha should quit bringing up the nu-metal thing—which isn't even close to being a favorite genre of mine—because any time anyone says anything not 100% positive about the crap he reviews or recommends, he whines and complains. Pot. Kettle. Meet.

Might I remind you that YOU brought nu-metal in this thread with your first post? Pot Kettle Meet. And I know I respond to people that somehow don't like the stuff I recommend, but that does not mean I don't want these people to give their opinion.

Oh, come on, bro. Keep it in context. I used "insert nu-metal band" as an example. I could have used "insert power metal band" and it would have meant the same. You bringing up nu-metal was a direct jab at me; it's the same stab you've take countless times in the past, along with bringing up my supposed love for pop-metal.

North From Here · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:24 am

Misha wrote:

leee wrote:

Husker wrote:

i think so, i still like metal a lot and all but i listen to to much other stuff now i dont know guys, it's like all styles of music except the new pop-emo bullshit is good.

LISTEN TO M83

It happens, I didn't listen to metal from 91 to about 96. and that started really in 89 when I discovered NIN and some other bands (I never went as gay as liking rap though, sounds like some chick influence there). Breaks are good. You will see though when you come back to it, that metal is the broadest greatest form of music ever. The rest of the stuff either dies out or goes to commercial or gets water downed so much it never matters again, with Metal there is always something underground, changing or being innovative.

Dude, you seriously believe that? Metal is not exactly underground, every-fucking-one knows what metal is. It's also one of the most NOT-innovative genres, and it's certainly not the broadest genre. There's some good bands innit though.

Everyone knows what jazz is too, at least in a superficial sense. I don't understand what your point about it not being underground means? Everyone knows what metal is, but how many people think of Negura Bunget or Lunar Aurora (not Metallica or Slayer) when they think of metal? Some metal is quite underground, just not "100 best albums no one has heard of list underground". :wink:

However, I am inclined to agree with your assertions that is not particularly broad or innovative.

Anonymous · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:32 am

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I just don't see how you can once like something, then declare it terrible.

It seems to me that you're suggesting that people never like something that isn't good. I don't really agree with that. I think people are more than capable of liking something and then later realize it isn't very good, whether they still like it or not.

I don't think it's really necessary for people to feel shame (it's actually pretty silly) for what they used to like, but I don't think people should make claims (ie - they're still a good band) that they really believe are false either. It sounds a bit like ego getting in the way of honesty, if you ask me.

-Tyrion

leee · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:14 am

Heavy Metal is very diverse, if you don't think so you listen to the wrong bands. Single bands have more change in there discography then most other genres do combined. Yes, it is very underground, sure you say Heavy Metal and some jackass knows Metallica and stuff but that isn't what I am talking about. Look around, there are like 10 to 15 people on here that regurarly talk about metal out of how many millions that talk online? It is underground, always has been always will be.

noodles · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:19 am

leee wrote:

Single bands have more change in there discography then most other genres do combined.

The only one I can think of that that applies to is Ulver.

Anonymous · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:43 am

Tyrion wrote:

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I just don't see how you can once like something, then declare it terrible.

It seems to me that you're suggesting that people never like something that isn't good. I don't really agree with that. I think people are more than capable of liking something and then later realize it isn't very good, whether they still like it or not.

I don't think it's really necessary for people to feel shame (it's actually pretty silly) for what they used to like, but I don't think people should make claims (ie - they're still a good band) that they really believe are false either. It sounds a bit like ego getting in the way of honesty, if you ask me.

-Tyrion

I guess my words aren't clear enough, and I'm trying to figure out how to spell out what I mean. I would never suggest someone couldn't like something that wasn't good, mainly because a statement like that could never be true. Tastes are subjective, and, whether or not they're true to that one person, that doesn't necessarily make it true.

You second comment there touches upon what I'm getting at a bit. People's tastes change all the time, mine have countless times. I've liked bands at one point, and then didn't enjoy them anymore. I've always started to enjoy some of them again at some point. What I'm trying to say is that saying something sucks or is terrible music when you've liked it and enjoyed it in the past seems a little disingenuous, I guess. It's like dating the most attractive woman in the world, you're in love with her, but she cheats on you and dumps you, and then you go around claiming she's ugly. Sure, you may no longer find her attractive, but deep down you know she's not ugly.

Anonymous · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:46 am

leee wrote:

Heavy Metal is very diverse, if you don't think so you listen to the wrong bands. Single bands have more change in there discography then most other genres do combined. Yes, it is very underground, sure you say Heavy Metal and some jackass knows Metallica and stuff but that isn't what I am talking about. Look around, there are like 10 to 15 people on here that regurarly talk about metal out of how many millions that talk online? It is underground, always has been always will be.

You're right, of course. Just look at all the bands I reviewed here and got ignored by people. Why? Because they had no idea who the fuck they were.

Anonymous · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:46 am

noodles wrote:

leee wrote:

Single bands have more change in there discography then most other genres do combined.

The only one I can think of that that applies to is Ulver.

That's because you know crap about music.

Rhys · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:46 am

noodles wrote:

leee wrote:

Single bands have more change in there discography then most other genres do combined.

The only one I can think of that that applies to is Ulver.

Beherit, Behemoth, Arcturus, Blut Aus Nord, Manes

Thats only covering bm off the top of me head...many many more exist.

Anonymous · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:52 am

following the reaper wrote:

noodles wrote:

leee wrote:

Single bands have more change in there discography then most other genres do combined.

The only one I can think of that that applies to is Ulver.

Beherit, Behemoth, Arcturus, Blut Aus Nord, Manes

...and so on and so on, ad infinitum.

Anonymous · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:04 am

samael

heatseeker · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:28 am

Misha wrote:

Dude, you seriously believe that? Metal is not exactly underground, every-fucking-one knows what metal is. It's also one of the most NOT-innovative genres, and it's certainly not the broadest genre. There's some good bands innit though.

...What the hell do you listen to, dude? Doesn't seem like a whole lot of metal, judging from your LastFM. What, jazz and classical and stuff like that? I'm just wondering, because you always do these reviews of weird bands that probably don't belong on this site...not to say they aren't good bands.

noodles · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:29 am

following the reaper wrote:

noodles wrote:

leee wrote:

Single bands have more change in there discography then most other genres do combined.

The only one I can think of that that applies to is Ulver.

Beherit, Behemoth, Arcturus, Blut Aus Nord, Manes

Nah, I don't really think bands vs genres are comparable anyways. I mean by Lee's logic Estradasphere cover more ground in one song than most genres do.

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That's because you know crap about music.

I'm glad you're still taking every opportunity to insult my taste in music.

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