At The Gates vs Dark Tranquillity

noodles · **Posted:** Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:55 pm

rio wrote:

noodles wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

OldSchool wrote:

noodles, you're kind of new to this metal thing, aren't you? Death isn't melodeath.

Come on, dude! This is 2006 where Wikipedia makes things fact! Chaos A.D. is a nu-metal album. Earth Crisis are a metalcore band. Machine Head have always been nu-metal. Avenged Sevenfold is power metal, and Death is melodic death metal.

Well, they don't play Gothenburg, but Death's later albums has a lot of elements that I've considered melodic death metal (eg. having melody and playing death metal lol). And they sound about as close to Dark Tranquillity or At The Gates as Arsis or Carcass - Heartwork does, and those are called melodeath. Being Swedish and ripping off Iron Maiden aren't my main prerequisites for the genre

But if that's your definition of melodeath then it makes it too broad to have any meaning. It's just a useless term. Whereas under everyone else's definition it signifies quite as specific way of playing, so it is a useful term.

Obviously those aren't the only two things that make something melodeath...

Legacy Of The Night · **Posted:** Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:47 pm

Jaden wrote:

Dark Tranquillity lack intensity and passion. It's solid, catchy, original, and even outstanding... but At The Gates is more.

For me, At The Gates was lacking intensity and passion wheras Dark Tranquillity simply oozes emotion.

noodles · **Posted:** Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:51 pm

Legacy Of The Night wrote:

Jaden wrote:

Dark Tranquillity lack intensity and passion. It's solid, catchy, original, and even outstanding... but At The Gates is more.

For me, At The Gates was lacking intensity and passion wheras Dark Tranquillity simply oozes emotion.

For me they both do.

*wins*

Legacy Of The Night · **Posted:** Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:54 pm

Lucky.

:(

rio · **Posted:** Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:16 am

ATG wins!

Or at least, they do in the poll to which only me and Jaden are invited.

Anonymous · **Posted:** Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:55 am

rio wrote:

ATG wins!

Or at least, they do in the poll to which only me and Jaden are invited.

Rule of the wise trumps rule of the many.

Carnifex Umbris · **Posted:** Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:18 am

Dark Tranquillity. ATG get the nod for almost single-handedly inventing the genre, but I like DT better.

And noodles is still wrong. Death are not melodeath, not by a long shot. Cannibal Corpse use plenty of melody, but I think Fischer's neck would eat you if you said that CC were melodeath (seriously, have you seen that man's neck? Jesus Christ.). Also, Carcass are only melodeath post-Heartwork (my favorite of theirs) and after. They were grind on Symphonies and Stench and grinding death on Necroticism (my second favorite). Heartwork itself still has a little too much edge to it to be true melodeath (despite being awesome). It was only on Swansong that they really started making melodeath as we know it today. "Keep on rotting in the real world...."

EpicMetalFan30 · **Posted:** Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:56 am

DT no doubt. I dont see this being close really

Boris · **Joined:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:11 am **Posts:** 20

Yeh,I voted for DT because I like them better.

Radagast · **Posted:** Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:55 pm

Jaden wrote:

Melodeath needs to be looked at as its own sub-genre with a completely uniquely developed sound.

Exactly. If the word "Death" wasn't in the genre name it would be afforded a lot more respect.

OldSchool · **Posted:** Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:04 pm

Radagast wrote:

Jaden wrote:

Melodeath needs to be looked at as its own sub-genre with a completely uniquely developed sound.

Exactly. If the word "Death" wasn't in the genre name it would be afforded a lot more respect.

I fully agree. Except for the vocals, it has very little in common with death metal. It should be recognised as a distinct metal subgenre, not a death subgenre.

Let's start a petition :blink:

leee · **Posted:** Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:08 pm

OldSchool wrote:

Jaden wrote:

Dark Tranquillity lack intensity and passion.

Those are the last things DT is missing.

noodles, you're kind of new to this metal thing, aren't you? Death isn't melodeath.

Umm yeah dude, jeez.

BTW you remind me of that male model dude in Glamourama from Bret Easton Ellis, that whole look at your self in the mirror thing. ha ha, cracks me up dude.

JÃ¼rgen · **Posted:** Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:59 pm

Jaden wrote:

Rule of the wise trumps rule of the many.

Omg Jaden is a fascist.

Radagast · **Posted:** Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:16 pm

Legacy Of The Night · **Posted:** Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:21 pm

i'll sine lol

Carnifex Umbris · **Posted:** Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:11 am

I'll sign, too.

crast · **Joined:** Thu Feb 09, 2006 1:29 pm **Posts:** 1502

Just out of curiosity, what would you guys classify Canopy as?

.:crast:.

Radagast · **Posted:** Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:15 pm

See I think Canopy sit between the two - just more proof that genre tags aren't absolute.

If it wasn't for your vocals I'd probably lean more towards older-style melodeath, but you're more like a traditional DM vocalist than the more shrieky guys like Lindberg.

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