Metal Reviews

Jaga Jazzist is some cool Amon Tobin, Squarepusher-ish electronica/jazz.

The more music I listen to, the more I realise how much there is left out there.

I have a choice - I could either go on listening to thrash/death and black, which is mostly the same thing being repeated, or I can branch out and listen to other things. I choose the latter - I've gone from thrash to rap to electronica in the past week alone, listening to one genre for too long gets boring. I think people who just listen to metal are like those who just listen to whatever's on the radio, out of habit, and because it fixes an itch. Real music fans, like what Ken was saying, hunt down new stuff, even if it isn't automatically their tastes.

And metalheads have an in-built elitism (dare I call it musical fascism?) that keeps them close-minded. You don't find that in post-rock...

NP: Vladislav Delay - The Fourth Quarter

As far as modern music goes post-rock reminds me the most of classical, followed closely by prog and avant garde. The only time I heard classical in metal is when it has elements of post rock, prog or avant garde OR when its the dumb cheesy orchestrated stuff or neoclassical guitar soloing. When more than 90% of the genre falls into the exact same verse/chorus structure I don't think you can say its very close to classical... and even stuff that doesn't is still usually just riff following riff and then ending ad nauseum.


Pretty much any King Cimson instrumental fits into that category... or just listen to Isildurs Bane - Mind Vol.1 or Kronos Quartet - Black Angels.

I just missed this gem. Misha makes the mildly ridiculous claim that 90% of metal is verse/chorus and then you follow it up with more than 90%? I'd say 20% of black and 10% of doom are verse/chorus. I guess you didn't count those genres? I'll give you 75% at the most of metal as a whole.

I guess, but even then metal is still super centered around riffs rather than compositions. When a metal band, like Maudlin of the Well, Behold the Arctopus or Neurosis, centers their songs around composition they sound totally different from the rest of the genre and it shows.

Are you very sure? Even in songs Nargaroth's Seven Tears Are Flowing To The River, there is very much a concept of verso-chorus structure going on. And only in VERY VERY rare cases we're dealing with composition, it's almost always songwriting, based on verse-chorus or not.

Are you very sure? Even in songs Nargaroth's Seven Tears Are Flowing To The River, there is very much a concept of verso-chorus structure going on. And only in VERY VERY rare cases we're dealing with composition, it's almost always songwriting, based on verse-chorus or not.

The original idea you posed was 90% verse/chorus. That claim is false. I got ahead of myself in mentioning composition, and I'm not going to argue your point about songwriting.

You say 75%, I said 90%. That is a difference of 15%, which is roughly 1 one every 7 bands. Did you fucking count them or anything?

Jeez, will you kids stop fighting already?

In a lot of cases imo its a case of well-disguised structure.

And just to clarify, by composed you mean written down right? Not just made by fucking around with a guitar?

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Did you?

Composition applies to every form of music that is made up, including fucking around with the gutiar until something comes out. However, we're discussing the comparison with classical music here, so I mean the manner in which a classical music is composed, meaning usually one man writes stuff down for every instrument.