Desolate Ever After wrote:
Looks like you get your very own reply, Stuart.
You were not talking about the US.
I was talking about the US. I mentioned the UK and the Arabs because I know that is where Zad lives. I never claimed to know anything about your welfare system. Perhaps your government is more diligent in tracking such criminals down and deporting them. Mine is not.
you missed the point. Your saying that a mexican has no right to come to your country for a better life when your country is founded on the same thing. Its very hypocritcal. And its illreivant when your family moved over, the killing of the Native Americans is a part of your countrys history. I used the example of the Indians to illustrate that you country is founded on immigration and that legality has nothing to do with it. If it did i think the indians would still be alive.
I didn't miss the point. The illegals do not have a right to be here. If they don't want to go through legal channels, then they should not come here and those that do should be deported immediately. More needs to be done to get them out of the country, including revoking the citizenship of their anchor babies.
Let me ask you this. Do you think it is fair that illegals are being allowed to walk across the border and obtain benefits and being offered the chanceto stay legally, while all the people around the world who decided to do it legally from the start are still waiting for residency visas years after they've applied?
To come here legally is a very long and tedious process. You have to have someone to sponsor you, which basically means you have to be coming as a student (in which, case you must leave when you graduate), find an employer willing to say there is no one but you that can do the job they want, or marry an American citizen. No one is allowed to just walk in and make a life here and bring their whole family along. (Except illegals, of course).
Now, there's an order of preference in who gets visas when they legally apply. First priority usually goes to spouses or minor children, followed parents and adult siblings, and such. Anyway, back in 2003, I had married a man from Poland. We lived apart for a long time and never saw each other because they would not grant him a visa, saying that I didn't make enough money to support the both of us. The rationale for this is that they don't want people coming here and going on welfare, so you have to make x-amount of money, depending on how many people you are trying to bring over. Illegals, of course, get around this requirement. Well, anyway, he was never able to come here and the distance pretty much ruined the relationship, so we called it quits and went our seperate ways. This is not at all an uncommon scenario for legal immigrants. I've read many stories from other people who went through or are going through the same thing...the bureacracy of it all takes years. Once here, you have to be a resident for something like 10 years before you can even apply for citizenship.
Now tell me...why should illegals get more benefits than people who are not breaking the law? If they want to come here, why shouldn't they have to follow the same channels everyone else does? They are taking the easy way in and then expecting everything to be handed to them on a silver platter. They riot in our streets demanding for citizenship and amnesty and more benefits. They form racist hate groups like La Raza and Atzlan and talk about how they're going to take over the country and oust the white people. They think they're entitled to more than anyone else is. This country doesn't need anymore people like that. Let them go back to Mexico where they belong. The only immigrants that ought to be welcomed here are people who will contribute to society, not take away from it and plot to overthrow the people who are providing for them.
ok, this is what i meant. Prove it. No anecdotes. statistics, facts and figues are the tools you use when trying to prove a point. I want to know if the US gives benifits to illegal immigrats.
Well, first I will give you some statistics and then try to explain how they are getting these things.
The Center for Immigration Studies has compiled a list of costs attributed to illegal immigrants, based on data from the Census.
The largest costs they reported come from Medicaid (a government subsidised health program for the poor) which rings in at $2.5 billion annually. Next comes medical treatment for the uninsured (that's those ER visits I was talking about) at $2.2 billion annually. Following that are food assistance programs, like food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches at $1.9 billion annually. And of course, illegals commit crimes and go to prison instead of being deported, and that costs $1.6 billion each year. Next is federal aid to schools (remember how I said we have to educate illegals in public schools?) at $1.4 billion. These are only the largest costs, btw. There are also other costs associated with programs like Social Security, Medicare, in-state tuition and other such programs.
Illegal immigrants create a fiscal deficit of $10.3 billion, because they pay only $16 billion in taxes, but cost the government $26.3 billion. Granting them amnesty would raise costs to $29 billion, because they would have increased access to services.
Now...how are they getting these, you wanted to know? Well, firstly the government just doesn't care. Normally, you'd think a government exists to serve the interests of its citizens, but politicans in America seem to have forgotten that. Besides trying to thwart the Minutemen, they're perfectly willing to cater to the demands of the illegals and do so often. Many state courts have ruled that it is unconstitutional to deny benefits to illegals and force taxpayers to subsidise them. Some states have tried to pass laws to bar illegals from getting benefits and had their laws overturned by the courts. In other words, boters don't get a voice on the issue.
But more importantly is the clause in the 14th Amendement of the Constitution that says anyone born on US soil is automatically a US citizen. What many illegals are doing is coming here and having their babies. These "anchor babies" allow the whole family to stay AND receive benefits. Because the baby is a citizen, their families are automatically eligible to claim benefits. In other words, they're abusing a loophole. They can pick up thousands of dollars in benefits just by having an anchor baby. And there's not a damn thing citizens can do about it.
Thats a good answer. But i can't uderstand why the law allows illegal immigrants to pick up benifits?? Thats very strange and i can understand your resenment towards them. However, because i understand it does not mean i agree that you should feel that way. I think that if you were in their situation, living in relative poverty with the world richest nation on your door step you would want to get there by any means nessesary. Its natural for them to want to do it, everyone aspires to a better life. What my point is that you can't blame these people for wanting to live in your country. I think your resenment should be towards the laws that allow these loopholes to occour, not the people themselves. They are only human after all.
