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Ummm.. what? She says the reason us Euros don't have problems with blacks is we haven't got any.

Edit: and why are you so quick to take her side? Considering she is breaking forum rules and all. I think she's holding her own, anyways...

But the comment was directed at "loving Asians" with a picture of three, rather young looking girls. If anything is a racist comment, that surely is. It's a generalization that's apparently not based on anything other than appearance. ... Whether it's love or hate doesn't matter.

And Zad, no one is saying you can't tell someone you love them. That's not the issue at all.

And if you ask me (which I realize no one is ;) ), there's been a lot of forum rule breaking going on here and there, and it's not just about racism or any one person. There's been a few other things, that while not technically against the rules, are pretty excessive as well.

I've been pleasantly surprised though at how things have turned out, at least for the moment.

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Oh, and about the gun thing...

Why would you want to take away a person's means of defense? Do you think that if the US were to destroy every single nuke it has that other countries would stop trying to aquire their own and possibly threaten others with them? No, because the nukes are not the root of the issue.

Making gun ownership illegal isn't going to solve anything. The people who are currently obtaining them illegally (and they are most of the problem by far) are going to continue to do so. The difference will be that the honest people, will have less means of defending themselves. And that says nothing with respect to guns and hobbies such as collecting, hunting, etc.

I may not be big on guns personally, but there's no way I want to see yet another right get taken away from the citizens here.

-Tyrion

Yes, I'm utterly convinced Ness was being 100% deadly serious and had clearly thought out the implications of what he was about to write when making that post.

@Frigid Symphony- Guns are good if used responsibly. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. There's nothing wrong with having a gun for self defense. The reason I would prefer a gun over a knife to carry for self defense is because a gun is easier to use and doesn't require me to be within arm's reach of an attacker. Learning to fight effectively with a knife is much more difficult and if I tried to use a knife against someone, by the time I got close enough to stab them with it, they very likely would have wrestled it away from me. Also, I would have to possibly stab them multiple times to incapacitate them so that I could get away. Easier and safer to shoot someone's knee out from a distance.

And yes, I am aware that people with guns in the house are more likely to shoot a family member. That's usually because they mistake the family member for an intruder or because a child gets a hold of it and thinks it's a toy. However, it is the parents' job to keep the guns locked up, not the government's job. I also don't have kids and probably never will, so shooting a family member wouldn't be an issue for me. I want a small weapon that can be easily concealed as I go about my daily activities.



@noodles- Do we have ten times the number that other countries do or ten times the rate? Because we 300 million people (not counting illegal immigrants) living here, whereas most European countries have nothing close to that. Switzerland has about 7.5 million. Germany has only about 82.5 million. France has only about 61 million people. The UK has only 60.5 million. Poland has about 39 million.
With all the people we have here, it's no wonder a larger number of crimes are committed. We also have more large cities and that means more urban areas where crime is most likely to be present.
The number of blacks we have here is a factor, too...they make up 50% of our prison population and are 13% of the total population. But I think even more relevant is the fact that we simply have more people. Access to guns is not the problem, no matter how much you want to believe what Michael Moore wants you to believe.


@Zad- He's not taking my side, I don't think. He's merely the only one who is bothering to take the time to read my posts and think about what I'm saying, instead of jumping to conclusions and making assumptions like everyone else is. No one is really even listening to what I'm saying or considering the merits of it. Most of you guys are too damn busy calling names and the like. The only reason Eyesore appears to be on my side is because he hasn't joined in on that. And while he and I may agree on a few things, I don't think we agree on the basics of the issues at hand.


@Eyesore- Why did you write "she" in quotation marks? *confused*

I made a comment about hating Asians and then just wanted to make sure people knew I was joking. Poop on you.

It's not like I'm trying to yell at the guy for it or anything. Hell, if he thinks Asian girls are hot, so what? ... The point is that people make comments, generalizations, and decisions like this all the time without even thinking about it. Yet, when someone else says something, even something that is based on deductive reasoning and experiences rather than "just because", it is often viewed as being in a completely different, taboo realm.

-Tyrion

Huh? I make fun of a guy at my work for being Asian. Whenever an Asian lady walks in I say "Hey Danye, your mom is here again." He knows I'm joking and says other racial slurs back at me. I don't give a crap. I guess I'm lost as to what you're saying.


-ness

I exagerated a little but Just going by this article:
http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/murder.html






Nunavut and The Northwest Territories have really, really small populations. Overall in Canada the rate was 1.73 murders per 100,000 in 2003.



and I'm sure you'd love this part of the article



I actually disagree with Michael Moore, he says its because of how the media and governement tries to scare everyone, I think its just the fact that other countries have far stricter gun control laws.

And you took her comments out of context. You live in the UK, you have no idea what she is talking about, only in simple terms, and it's much more complicated than the way you see it.


We discussed this in PM, don't fucking start it again here. She's not breaking any rules. She's not being hateful.

As for me taking her side, I am not taking her side one bit. I am offering counterpoints to all the nonsensical replies directed at her. Sadly she is not coming off as the most ignorant person in this thread.

Sorry. Habit from another forum. It's a joke thing that really only applies there. Please disregard.

Firstly, I don't know how reliable that article is, because the guy who wrote that doesn't do much internal citing of sources. It's not an official site for these kinds of statistics at any rate.

The problem with the way he's doing these charts is that he's getting 100% totals by only including black and white races. The biggest problem I have with this is that hispanics commit more crimes than whites (but less than blacks), yet they are not listed. Now, if he got his info from the FBI or such, then hispanics get counted as white and inflate the real numbers for white people. But he also does not include Asians, Native Americans, or Arabs, and as far as I know, those groups are counted seperately in crime stats (though sometimes Arabs end up being counted as white, too). In other words, that chart cannot possibly be correct.

And regardless of all the flaws in this, he doesn't mention at all the means used to murder someone. Murder does not always mean a gun was involved. It can be from stabbing, strangling, drowning, trauma to the brain or other internal organs, etc. Guns are just one of many ways to kill someone.

You know, I found the most interesting quote earlier in this thread.



So...saying that black people are such-and-such is perfectly acceptable, but saying that racists are such-and-such is not?

Also not all black people hate/dislike/look down on a certain type of people for no reason, but all racists do.

I think she was implying something like the pot calling the kettle black.

What happened to the Velociraptor? :(

Read again Kayla, she's saying that you blame her for hating "all" blacks, but you don't mind hating "all" racists. Now you could say that the only thing blacks have in common is that they are black, a matter of appearance that they did not decided themselves, while racists have in common that they hate based on tan, which is something they have their reasons for: a choice. So racists are racist, but people hating racists are prejudged, as they do not know the exact reasons behind their racist thoughts, a hasty generalisation. Racism and bias are the same thing, but in very different degrees, I daresay Desolate has a point, but is not entirely right.

No legal guns would make it harder for criminals to get guns. I'd have thought that was obvious.

Anyways, why don't we just leave it at this: we're all racist! Desolate and Eyesore hate blacks, Misha and NESS hate asians, Frigid hates Americans, Jurgen hates Jews, I hate fat people, Radagast hates the Welsh, Skartasis hates Norsecore, KGG hates Noodles, Rev. Fred Phelps hates fags, Bush hates your freedoms, Olmert hates Lebanese children, everyone hates God and God hates us all.

Let's all hold hands and dance in a circle.

:shock:

Kenny, are you seriously implying there are no black people in the UK?

Or are you implying that there is not an extreme shitload of Marokan and Turkish people in the Netherlands, including ghettos, high crime rates, muslim extremism and all?