For The Morons That Say Dimebag Sucked...

stuartn15ted · **Posted:** Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:07 pm

Eyesore wrote:

Kisser isn't anything special

I'm a huge sep fan but i'm with Ken on this one, nothing special.

Eyesore · **Posted:** Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:14 pm

following the reaper wrote:

Also, nice mod behaviour there kenny, telling us to fuck off and die :roll:

Dude, keep it up. I was clearly joking and your continued sarcastic insults will do you no good in the end.

noodles · **Posted:** Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:18 pm

Mike Barr from Orthrelm is probably a better guitarist than Dimebag because he can do this for 10 minutes straight. It's a pity this species of space alien will never be recognized for its musical accomplishments because of its lack of understanding of what pleasures the human ear.

My favourite guitarist is Davide Tiso from Ephel Duath.

Goat · **Posted:** Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:24 pm

stuartn15ted wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Kisser isn't anything special

I'm a huge sep fan but i'm with Ken on this one, nothing special.

Everything's opinion in the end.

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:26 pm

noodles wrote:

My favourite guitarist is Davide Tiso from Ephel Duath.

no surprises about who my fave guitarist is...

JÃ¼rgen · **Posted:** Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:30 pm

stuartn15ted wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Kisser isn't anything special

I'm a huge sep fan but i'm with Ken on this one, nothing special.

But in the end, who gives a fuck about musicians? Let's just stick to the music. There are a lot of dudes that i admire as musicians even though i can piss all over them when it comes to playing technique.

Actually, i think that bad technique can be as major a part of a player's sound as good technique. Would Michael Angelo batio make a good punk guitar player? I don't think so. Sloppy technique gives you a certain groove that's pretty hard to achieve otherwise.

Edit: Sorry if i'm not making any sense, i'm a little drunk at the moment. But i think you get the point?

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:32 pm

Jürgen wrote:

stuartn15ted wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Kisser isn't anything special

I'm a huge sep fan but i'm with Ken on this one, nothing special.

But in the end, who gives a fuck about musicians? Let's just stick to the music. There are a lot of dudes that i admire as musicians even though i can piss all over them when it comes to playing technique.

Actually, i think that bad technique can be as major a part of a player's sound as good technique. Would Michael Angelo batio make a good punk guitar player? I don't think so. Sloppy technique gives you a certain groove that's pretty hard to achieve otherwise.[/quote]

dude, anyone can play power chords. I was playing like all the best ramones and sex pistols songs after 4 months of ever playing guitar.

Eyesore · **Posted:** Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:32 pm

Steve Clark is my favorite guitarist, by the way!

Goat · **Posted:** Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:34 pm

Eyesore wrote:

Zad wrote:

I think Dime's a legend as much for his capacity for alcohol as anything else. I mean, define legend : Andreas Kisser is one of the greatest guitarists to walk the face of the earth, and where's his recognition? You have to admit, Ken, Dime's popularity went up a helluva lot after he was killed. People are as fickle as fuck - if Kurt 'Heroin' Cobain was still alive he would be nothing! Dave Grohl's rode off the fact he was in Nirvana the whole of his career, and the only reason Courtney Love's not now a truck-stop whore in Mexico is that she was married to the whiny git.

Dimebag could play guitar. Big shitting deal. Could he calm a terrified animal down, so it didn't have to be shot? Could he gain the trust of a starving orphan? Could he actually change world events, and make this shitstain of a planet a better place to live? No. I reserve my respect for those that deserve it.

Kisser isn't anything special, though. Dime's popularity didn't go up at all, it was just forced back into the limelight by tragic events. If Cobain were still alive he would be nothing? Totally retarded and 100% speculation. That last bit about saving the world is equally stupid, let's keep it in context, bud.

Yeah, but the way some people go on about musicians... :roll:

And true, we can't say for certain where Kurt would be now. Still, his 'talents' were overrated beyond belief.

noodles · **Posted:** Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:35 pm

Jürgen wrote:

Actually, i think that bad technique can be as major a part of a player's sound as good technique. Would Michael Angelo batio make a good punk guitar player? I don't think so. Sloppy technique gives you a certain groove that's pretty hard to achieve otherwise.

There's a difference between good as in technical ability and good as in quality of music. For what we're talking about here punk guitarists aren't good guitarists.

stuartn15ted · **Posted:** Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:39 pm

Jürgen wrote:

stuartn15ted wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Kisser isn't anything special

I'm a huge sep fan but i'm with Ken on this one, nothing special.

But in the end, who gives a fuck about musicians? Let's just stick to the music. There are a lot of dudes that i admire as musicians even though i can piss all over them when it comes to playing technique.

Actually, i think that bad technique can be as major a part of a player's sound as good technique. Would Michael Angelo batio make a good punk guitar player? I don't think so. Sloppy technique gives you a certain groove that's pretty hard to achieve otherwise.

Edit: Sorry if i'm not making any sense, i'm a little drunk at the moment. But i think you get the point?

I agree with you there Jürgen.

Brian May gets a lot of his sound from the penny he uses as a pick, Jango Rhinehart could only use tree fingers, and need we talk about hendrix's unothodox technique? I worked for him but i can't imagine it working for any one else. Their strange technique give these guitartists the tone and style that set them apart from others.

JÃ¼rgen · **Posted:** Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:41 pm

noodles wrote:

There's a difference between good as in technical ability and good as in quality of music. For what we're talking about here punk guitarists aren't good guitarists.

If you measure a guitarist's worth only by his/her technical ability (most people think of technique in very limited terms, speed and cleanness of playing etc...), then punk guitarists certainly aren't good guitarists.

The point i was trying to make is that Geordie Walker (Killing Joke) sure as hell can't play like Michael Angelo Batio, and vice versa.

JÃ¼rgen · **Posted:** Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:51 pm

stuartn15ted wrote:

Brian May gets a lot of his sound from the penny he uses as a pick, Jango Rhinehart could only use tree fingers, and need we talk about hendrix's unothodox technique? I worked for him but i can imagine it working for any one else.

Django actually had complete use over just two fingers and his guitar had extremely high action. Makes him all the more amazing, eh?

But anyway, you got the point. Sloppy technique can give a player a unique sound as much as precise, fast technique can. Technique, be it sloppy or super-precise, is only a tool for expression. If "bad" technique gives you the results you want, go for it!

Can't remember the exact quote, but: "Technique isn't just how fast and precise you play, it's as much how sloppy and dirty you play." -Mick Goodrick, guitar instructor and jazz guitarist.

Eyesore · **Posted:** Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:01 pm

Zad wrote:

Yeah, but the way some people go on about musicians... :roll:

And true, we can't say for certain where Kurt would be now. Still, his 'talents' were overrated beyond belief.

Look, Cobain was an average singer and guitar player. I don't think anyone has ever tried to say otherwise. The thing is, Cobain was an exceptional songwriter! Yes, this is true. Maybe the grunge thing is a little too far in the past for some of you, maybe you hate it because it opened the door to shit like nu-metal, or whatever. Kurt Cobain was a brilliant songwriter. There is a world of difference between a musician and a songwriter.

Surely because of his death he was overrated simply because people wanted to make a buck, but prior to his death he was not overrated. The man could write great music.

noodles · **Posted:** Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:04 pm

Eyesore wrote:

Zad wrote:

Yeah, but the way some people go on about musicians... :roll:

And true, we can't say for certain where Kurt would be now. Still, his 'talents' were overrated beyond belief.

Look, Cobain was an average singer and guitar player. I don't think anyone has ever tried to say otherwise. The thing is, Cobain was an exceptional songwriter! Yes, this is true. Maybe the grunge thing is a little too far in the past for some of you, maybe you hate it because it opened the door to shit like nu-metal, or whatever. Kurt Cobain was a brilliant songwriter. There is a world of difference between a musician and a songwriter.

I don't think he was a good songwriter, I just think he had great sound/attitude that fits grunge perfectly. Because of this he never really had to think much about actual songs.

I think Nirvana's best was their accoustic covers of stuff on the unplugged album

Goat · **Posted:** Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:08 pm

His place in history isn't under contest, and there's someone in every generation that inspires huge followings. Personally, I think he doesn't deserve to be in the same book as, say, Dylan, let alone be placed next to him. I can see what the attraction is, though. Anyone could have been that figure, though, it's Kurt's good fortune it was him.

noodles · **Posted:** Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:11 pm

Zad wrote:

His place in history isn't under contest, and there's someone in every generation that inspires huge followings. Personally, I think he doesn't deserve to be in the same book as, say, Dylan, let alone be placed next to him. I can see what the attraction is, though. Anyone could have been that figure, though, it's Kurt's good fortune it was him.

I think they are because their appeal is essentially the same to me =/

Eyesore · **Posted:** Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:18 pm

Zad wrote:

His place in history isn't under contest, and there's someone in every generation that inspires huge followings. Personally, I think he doesn't deserve to be in the same book as, say, Dylan, let alone be placed next to him. I can see what the attraction is, though. Anyone could have been that figure, though, it's Kurt's good fortune it was him.

Not anyone, dude. Not at all. You have to have some sort of quality about your art. You think Chris Cornell or Eddie Vedder could have been "that guy?" No way. There was nothing special about Kurt Cobain, but there was something special about his art. That's the key right there, and not everyone has that.

Goat · **Posted:** Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:20 pm

Eyesore wrote:

Zad wrote:

His place in history isn't under contest, and there's someone in every generation that inspires huge followings. Personally, I think he doesn't deserve to be in the same book as, say, Dylan, let alone be placed next to him. I can see what the attraction is, though. Anyone could have been that figure, though, it's Kurt's good fortune it was him.

Not anyone, dude. Not at all. You have to have some sort of quality about your art. You think Chris Cornell or Eddie Vedder could have been "that guy?" No way. There was nothing special about Kurt Cobain, but there was something special about his art. That's the key right there, and not everyone has that.

He simplified it, at a time everything was going way over the top. Anyone could have done that. He was the focus of attention.

JÃ¼rgen · **Posted:** Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:23 pm

I prefer Chris Cornell and Layne Staley over Kurt Cocaine any day. Eddie Vedder sounds like a molested donkey.

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