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Tyrion - That's the interview I quoted in this thread. Yes, he dresses it up prettily, but what he's essentially saying is that he wants women to be wifies and mommies and nothing else. I resent that, and I resent him saying that men and women should have different goals in life. There's no earthly reason that a woman can't do the same job a man can, with the possible exception of jobs that involve physicality. For example, my current job sometimes involves a lot of heavy lifting, and I need help with a few things my male co-workers can do by themselves. It doesn't mean I can't do the job, I just need a hand with the really heavy stuff.
I thought you had probably read it from what you were saying, but I wasn't sure. And I didn't think D. E. A. had (I'd call her Desolate', but since there's already a Desolate on this board...). ... I agree with you in that I think he's probably going too far by apparently extending his wishes to
all women. I'm not completely sure that's what he meant through his words, but a few sentences here and there seem to suggest it.
Hell, I have a female co-worker for the job that I do, which is basically to hike around the woods all day and count trees. It's not an easy job physically or mentally, and there's you're liable to walk through briars or spider webs a hundred times a day or so, but she handles it all really well and has a pretty good work ethic. By contrast, the guy I had working with me before, granted he was quite a bit older (late 40's if I recall correctly), couldn't hack it. He was supposedly someone who was into this sort of thing, too.
At any rate, there are general differences between men and women, and I think we are kind of foolish if we try to pretend these differences don't exist. There are a lot of women out there who would like to do just that, and there can (unfortunately) be a destructive element with women's rights movements. I do think Varg is right about it in that context, if that's what he meant. He's right about a few other points as well.
But then again, it's hard enough to sift through his words, let alone factor in that he hasn't even been an active member of society for 12 years or so. Consider also how old he was when he went into prison in the first place, and ... well, I think it will be really interesting to see what he does and says in the years after his release.
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As for the race issue, maybe I misunderstand the concept, but how is it possible to hate a race and not hate the people that make it up? But I suppose racism is illogical by its very nature, after all.
As I said before, people probably need to examine what they think racism means. I very much doubt that everyone here looks at it the same way.
At any rate, what you said is entirely possible. People hate bands because they're labeled as pop music. Some people may feel like they hate the members of a band just because of the band itself. Some may not feel that way. Some people hate white cars, and so they won't like a car they might normally like in another color, just because it's white. Other people do a better job of recognizing what it is they specifically dislike and can be more clear about their opinions. I generally don't like cars made by Chevrolet. However, I do kind of like the Corvette (good car, good value) and the Cobalt (small, but kind of attractive and economical, also gets very good crash ratings) despite how I generally feel about the brand. Humans group things all the time, just as they make decisions all the time.
Think about a high school setting where a partifcular class is made up of mostly mean, lazy students who are constantly fighting with each other and are not performing well academically. Some of the teachers would probably comment to each other about how much they dislike that class or what a problem it is. It doesn't mean they dislike a particular student, there are probably some good, well mannered students in it, but as a whole, it's simply not on par with what they'd like to see from a group of young adults.
It may sound kind of silly to some people to compare some of these things to attitudes about racial differences, but there's really nothing wrong saying you dislike something. There's even less wrong with it when you actually (understand and) give reasons for disliking it. No one here is saying (at least I don't think they are) that they hate a particular individual because of some common group traits, and I don't see why that's perceived as being a necessary outcome of having racial prejudices.
People all have prejudices of one sort or another. I don't really understand why racism is such a big deal. It seems to me like it is mostly because certain people want it to be.
It's bad enough having Christians going around telling people they're going to hell for not accepting Jesus and living the life Christ wants, but we've got people doing the same kind of thing in other ways too, including screaming "racist" at people who have views they don't even try to understand. It's a "you need to be more like me" attitude. "Because you're not, I'm not going to even associate with you, and I'm not interested in what you think. Go away!". People are free to socialize with who they want, whether they have "good" reasons or not. Why is that concept such a big deal that they need to point it out constantly? Do they feel threatened?
There's an irony here, but I think many people are simply too paranoid to get it.
-Tyrion
