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No one proved anything in this argument. This includes you and your maxims.

emperorblackdoom- True, I'm not fond of looking up statistics. But the thing is, there really aren't any useful statistics out there for this kind of thing, because it's nearly impossible to show cause and effect. Before I switched to Political Science, I was an Education major and I had a professor who just LOVED to say that the reason schools were failing was because they didn't have enough money...but she never had any statistics or studies to back that up either. I figure if she, an education professor, couldn't find stats to prove her point, you probably won't be able to find them either.

But if you go back to what Tyrion said about motivation...well, even as recently as the 1950s, students didn't have computers or fancy science labs or anything like that and they certainly weren't allowed to use calculators for math, but they learned an awful lot, and if you look back at some of the tests kids in those days had to pass, you'd likely find they are much harder than the ones kids are expected to pass today. Today, kids just expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter- they don't want to work for anything and they definitely don't want to think. And the kinds of teachers they have in public schools are of about the same mindset.

I have come across many bad reports of teachers but considering their work environment and pay it's not surprising. I suppose data in urban schools may also be highly skewed negatively througn the pruning out of some the best students to magnet and private schools. I simply don't think the playing field is particularly level when students in east saint louis or camden have to share textbooks and can't use their own labs or have to convert every room in the school into a classroom.

If you ever do watch that video I linked you to, it talks a lot about teachers being the problem, what with their unions and all.

But the problem is also the kind of people the education programs in colleges attract. Where I go to school, everyone (literally everyone) I met in the Education program was a socialist or something very close to a socialist. There was NOBODY right of socialist, professors included. Initially, I was inclined to stick it out and be the voice of dissent, though I did wonder what the deal was with so many sheeple who refused to think for themselves.

There were two incidents that pushed me to leave that program. The first being my final project for one of my classes. We had to do a project worth 1/3 of our course grade dealing specifically with race, class, or gender in education. To be different, I wanted to do my project about how whites were discriminated against in the school system and I was nearly done with the project when, a week before it was due, my professor informed me (rudely) that if I presented my project on that topic, she would fail me. So I was forced to do a completely new project in a week's time, even though I had spent over a month on my original one. I did my project on how the poor kids in Los Angeles don't enough art in school. Big fun.

After that, I was pretty furious about the politics of the education program and on the last day of class, the department head came in to talk to my class. What he basically said was that our professors would be watching us closely to make sure we had the "personality for teaching". When they found someone who they decided didn't fit their mold, they were "counselled out of the program", or in other words, denied a degree. Professors didn't really need any concrete reason to do this, other than that you had unfavourable political ideas, for example. Students who thought No Child Left Behind was a good thing didn't last long. Republicans didn't last long. And obviously, neither do people like myself who are insensitive to the plight of minorities.

I was quite outraged by this and left the program, but not without talking it over with people I knew who were already teachers in the public schools. I was informed that this was quite common practice in many colleges. They only want a certain kind of person to teach in public schools. When you have public schools across the nation filled with leftist teahcres of mediocre intelligence and skill, you end up with dumbed down curriculums and stupid students. You also have teachers spending way too much time on topics about why white students need to respect black and mexican students and not nearly enough time on basic academics like reading and math. No wonder public school students are falling behind. And no wonder home schooled students aren't.

No wonder you left that program. What is the makeup of your political science department like? I have heard conflicting reports on the general makeup of political science departments across the country.

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Since I apparently sparked this hullabaloo, let my clarify my statement.

I don't like Varg, and for several reasons. I've read his beliefs in his own words, and they're a crock of shit dressed up in good diction. One interview in particular stands out in my mind; in it, he said...well, here, let me quote it:

Essentially, he wants women barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. He talks about making motherhood respectable again, which I do agree with, but he then goes on to say that women shouldn't be working at all. Well, pardon my French, but he can fuck off. Separate spheres went out of fashion with the bustle skirt.

Second of all, I'm Jewish. I reserve the right to dislike someone who doesn't like me because of my ethnicity, or anything else that is inherent and unchangable in me. (This even extends to family members. I come from a mixed family, and there's one aunt in particular that I don't like at all. She had the gall to tell my parents they were going to Hell, and thinks black people aren't human. I don't like her.)

Thus, I don't like Varg. As for the prison thing, regardless of whether he killed Euronymous in cold blood or in self-defense (my personal opinion is cold blood), he did commit many acts of arson; Fantoft church was eight hundred years old, for crying out loud! He did the crimes, he can do the time.

Well it all depends on the individual imo. To some, once racism is brought into the topic, we don't give a fuck how great the music is. On the other hand, being true fans of music.....we kinda turn a blind eye on the person's racist behaviour. I guess we shudn't give a fuck about Varg's racist issues. But you can't deny he is a dangerous guy. Extremely dangerous. Like some said...he's a nutter. I think it's best he stays in.

And by the way.....his music isn't all that great.

At first reading smalled minded idiots trying to attribute social and cultural problems to deficiencies in a race is hilarious. Then it just gets pathetic.

This is why this forum is sort of gay now. Every thread turns into amateur philosophy club. Get over it! Talk metal, dont debate womens rights and race issues. :x

Again a Burzum thread has turned into a 10 page shitfest. Great.

I suddenly have the urge to go burn down a church.

@emperorblackdoom- My Political Science department seems like a pretty even split between righties and lefties, so far. Most of the professors are pretty much leftists, but overall they're better at keeping their biases out of their teaching, which I appreciate. I hate paying for a class only to hear someone try to preach at me.

@Carnifex Umbris- Just because you think Varg's ideas are outdated doesn't mean he's not allowed to have his preferences. If he wants a woman who is willing to fulfill a traditional female role, then let him have it. What's it to you if a woman wants to be a housewife? There's plenty of women who do that and want to do that. If that's not your preference, then find a woman who acts like a man.

And certainly you can dislike Varg if you want. No one ever said you couldn't. I just found it odd that your tolerance of others doesn't extend to people like Varg. Not everyone in the world is going to like you- that's just a fact of life. I don't know why you are so sore about that.

Hypocrite.

As for your first point, if a particular woman wants to be a housewife, that's fine. Varg wants all women to be housewives, however, which I find repugnant.

As for your second point, two years on Mount Holyoke's rugby team failed to turn me gay, so I doubt very much it's going to happen anytime soon. I like men who act like men, thank you very much.

I'd just like to issue an apology to those that read through my crap from last night today. I'm terrible at e-arguments. Back to metal stuff for me.

Are you female? I'm always mistaking people's sex online. My apologies if you are. And if you are not, then your last paragraph confuses me.

And even if Varg does wish all women would be housewives, well, that is still his personal preference and he's not hurting anyone by it. It's not like he's going around trying to force all women to be housewives. No doubt he finds it equally as repugnant that there are people out there trying to steer women into careers and away from the home and family. You and Varg obviously have different values. You should learn to respect other people's views and be more tolerant of different ideas.

I would think that my avatar would indicate my sex. Unless you're saying I look like a man, in which case I would be mildly insulted.
As for my "respecting" his views, his views don't respect me. He wants to limit my choices in what to do with my life; I said before that if a woman wants to be a housewife or a stay-at-home mom, that's fine, it's her choice. He wants to discriminate against me because of something inherent that I can't change (I'm not counting gender reassignment for this particular exercise, as I have absolutely no desire to be male). I don't want to take away his choices, I just reserve the right to dislike him because of a small-minded, sexist viewpoint that has absolutely no basis in any logic or modern incarnation of his culture.

I also notice you didn't answer my second point, about being Jewish. What, being racist against blacks is cool, but being anti-Semitic is not?

Your facial expression doesn't exactly make you look feminine. But I've found avatars aren't a very good way to guess someone's sex. Sometimes people with girls in their avatars are actually men and sometimes people with guys in their avatars are women. So I wasn't really going to go by your avatar.

How is Varg discriminating against you because of his personal feelings about what he wants in a woman? How does he discriminate against any woman when he's not forcing his beliefs on them? I'm not a big fan of being a housewife either, but I don't feel like Varg is discriminating against me.

I know you said you were Jewish (maybe that's why you are so convinced Varg is persecuting you?). I didn't respond because you were just talking about your family and there was little for me to respond to. But in regards to your recent question about whether certain types of "racism" are cool...well, it's not really about a cool factor. I couldn't care less if it's trendy or not. If you want me to say I don't like Jews either, fine. I don't like them, just like I don't like blacks. That means, as group, I don't like them because of certain behavioral traits that are common to the group and certain cultural practices I find repugnant.

Okay, I just now saw this, so sorry for not replying sooner.

The difference between the way Varg thinks of women and the way most black men think of women is that Varg actually wants a housewife that he'll stay married too and have children with that he will support. That's not treating the woman like a piece of meat. That's treating her like a wife and unless he's abusing her, he's also likely going to be treating her with respect and they'll both be happy with their roles in the family. Black men think it's cool to rape women or, more commonly, knock them up and then run off. That's why they've got 20 different kids with 20 different women and don't pay child support to any of them. With Varg, the concept of a family comes into play. With the typical black man, it does not. The black man doesn't respect the women he has sex with and he doesn't provide for her or the children he makes with her. In other words, he uses her to satisfy his present carnal desires and then moves on when she no longer amuses him.