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Ditto.

But I think a lot of people here are afraid of racists. And it's not cool to say something you're afraid of is cool.

There's a difference between fear and dislike.

I'm a cool nudist.

So because you (or anyone else) decide that you dislike racists for whatever reason, there automatically can not be any cool racists? That's a pretty broad statement. I dislike Christians, for example...loathe many of them in fact. But I will admit that there are still cool Christians out there, even though I disagree with their beliefs.

You people who hate racists and get mad when racists say they dislike all black people, for example, are sure quick to say all racists are such and such. I guess generalising and stereotyping is only a no-no for people you already don't like. Yay for double standards. :roll:

...are you serious?

You aren't born and categorized a racist beyond your own control, you idiot. To blindly hate all people of one race, for something they have no control over, is something that you have chosen to do.

Someone that dislikes racists does it for a valid reason, because racists are ignorant and hateful of their own free will, not because they came from the wrong country or have the wrong skin color.

Of course I'm serious.

You obviously don't know much about racists. You multiculturalists (well, maybe you are not a multiculturalist, but I'm kind of doubting that) like to say racists hate without valid reasons, but very few multiculturalists like yourself have ever actually sat down and asked a racist why they think the way they do. If you did, you'd probably realise that racist is not only a very inaccurate term for most of us, but that we do have a LOT of reasons- reasons which you may disagree with, but which are perfectly valid, nonetheless.

Speaking only for myself, I don't hate people because of their skin colour or where they come from. I hate people for the way they behave, primarily. FOr example, I very much dislike black culture and their glorification of drugs, violence, and crime, the way they think being uneducated and speaking with bad grammar is cool, the way they degrade women and treat them like pieces of meat to be used at the black man's leisure, and the way they play the victim and blame whitey for their troubles without ever taking any personal responsibility for their situation. It just so happens that most of the people who participate in this sick and dysfunctional culture are blacks. That doesn't mean I hate them for BEING black. It just means that I don't like them for acting black, just as I don't like whites or any other race that acts black. And while I certainly choose to be disgusted by their culture and look down on it with disdain, they also CHOOSE to participate in and perpetuate that culture. So I guess that would make me a culturalist, not a racist.

Edit: By the way...you seem to be a very hateful person of your own free will, too. Hating people who have different ideologies than you do doesn't make you any better than someone with a different ideology who hates someone else with a different ideology.

Hmm, I wasn't going to reply again, but I guess I will...



You (Misha) wouldn't mind if he did some more time? What the hell? I might see some level of relevance if you lived in Norway, at least, but ... :?:



Well, you know that I more or less agree with that, but I get the feeling that a lot of people haven't even bothered to read for themselves what Varg has to say. I really don't think Varg simply hates because of color or nationality, but it seems like as soon as the word "racist" is put into play, there's at least one person who gets all paranoid and three or four who don't understand the context at all, and then the whole thing just spirals into chaos.

Maybe some of us need to assess what being a "racist" is and then find out whether anyone actually fits the description or not.

I don't necessarily think Varg is the brightest crayon in the box, but it would be hard for me to decide too far one way or the other about his intelligence given that I think he often does a very poor job of communicating what's on his mind. It seems like you can only reach a certain level of understanding based on what's in print; maybe if you talked to him in person, it'd make more sense and be more consistent. At least he's made an effort to try to educate himself, I'll give him credit for that.

-Tyrion

BAN!

Yeah, let's ban people who don't believe what everyone else believes. Just like we ought to keep Varg in prison for his beliefs. :roll:

I hate rap too, but this is the taking the dislike of a media-manufactured popular culture too far. Most black people don't think being uneducated is cool: they don't ever get the opportunity to become educated because "whitey" refuses to share their excess school tax funds in order to even out school district spending. Most America youth think that "urban" culture is cool simply because it is the most heavily marketed towards them.

So are you one of the ones who is simply paranoid or are you one of the ones who isn't grasping the context?



It doesn't take a white person handing their money to a black person in order for him to become educated. People who earn their money have a right to choose where they invest it. :roll:

-Tyrion

Did I say anything about rap? I did not. Never even mentioned it. Their "music" isn't the only thing that promotes what I spoke about. Come with me sometime and hang out by the bus stop I have to wait at and you'll see what I mean.

And many of them DO think being uneducated is cool. That's why they intentionally speak in ebonics, despite hearing AND being taught correct English in school. The trouble lies with the parents. The parents don't seem to see the value of an education and therefore, they don't spend a whole lot of time encouraging their kids to put school first. It's not about money at all. In fact, most studies show that the more money you throw at a school, the worse it does. I could go on and on and on all day about how the educational system fails ALL students, but that's a completely different topic. The trouble is, blacks either can't or refuse to learn. Whatever it is, it's not whitey's fault and I very much resent them blaming their shortcomings on others. You know, when I was in grade school, if I got a bad grade on an assignment, my parents said "you should have studied harder". They did NOT go complain to the school board and the media that it was someone else's fault. It was my fault, and we all knew it, and I worked harder the next time and did better. I don't know why blacks don't do that. And I'd like to say that I don't care, either, except that I have to pay taxes that go to them.

Coincidentally, here's a nice quote from a Yahoo news story on nutrition that does a nice job of exemplifying America's failing education system:



...this from Robert Blendon, a professor at Harvard's School of Public Health.

What does "per serving" mean, anyway? :roll:

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By the way, should you visit a bus stop in an American city, you might want to wear a pair of shoes you don't care too much about. There's (apparently) a risk that you'll either step in urine or be urinated on. It might even be the urine of a 3 year old boy whose mom would rather make lewd conversation with the bus drivers instead of taking her child into any one of the nearby buildings to find a restroom. He didn't wet his pants, by the way, he was simply encouraged to drop the pants and pee on the sidewalk at the stop. That's less hassle for her, I'm sure.

But that's just one example...

-Tyrion

Don't spew to me that crap about money not fixing educational systems. Rich white neighborhoods pay twice as much or more on each student as urban poor neighborhoods. I'll cite some statistics even though you have failed to do so. In Illinois in 1989,(this is not an essay, but if you want newer stats I'll find them) the rich suburban high school of Niles Township spent $9,371 per student, while in Chicago $5,265 was spent (source-Chicago Panel on School Policy and Finance). In New Jersey in 1988 the Princeton school district (white, wealthy) spent $7,725 while in the poor city of Camden $3,538 was at (Educational Law Center-Newark New Jersey) Manhasset New York, (rich white) spent $15,084 in 1989 while the the NYC district only spent $7,299 (New York State Board of Education and NY Times).

Of course students at wealthy schools scored higher! They had lab that worked, buildings that weren't falling apart, and each student recieved their own textbook. It is NOT black and white but money and a lack of money. School taxes are a property tax that naturally favor wealthier areas with wealthier properties. You also ignored my points concerning the media. Do you deny that "ghetto culture" is not the marketed culture to American youth? Are black people to blame for the CEOs decisions that drive these marketing approaches?

PS-Glad you came by here to talk about metal. :roll:

Tyrion- You forgot to mention that when this kid's brother saw him peeing on the sidewalk in front of dozens of people, he decided to drop his pants and pee on the sidewalk, too. Well, actually, half of it went on the sidewalk and the other half on the actual shelter that is the bus stop.


Emperorblackdoom- Could it be that white students in wealthier neighbourhoods do better for reasons other than money? Money might just be a correlating factor, not a cause. Perhaps white students in wealthy neighbourhoods are just smarter, which would make sense, because their parents are probably smart and that's why they were able to obtain advanced degrees and get high paying jobs. Maybe the students of wealthy parents do better because their parents encourage them to take more difficult classes and push them to excel. Maybe the students who attend the rich schools do better because they learn how to think abstractly and solve problems and not just memorise. From what I can see, money has not been shown to have a cause and effect relationship on success, just a correlating one.

I should also mention that I did not attend a wealthy school and we did not have state of the art equipment, but I still had very good grades and now maintain a 3.8 GPA in college. My younger sister, who attended the same school I did, got the highest ACT score in the state, was one of 4 valedictorians in her class (all with a 4.0 GPA), and was invited by both Princeton and Harvard to apply to their schools. Now, why would she do so well when she comes from a family with a lot of kids and not a lot of money and goes to a small school in a rural farming community in Minnesota? Why would our high school consistently outperform all other schools in the county, even though we had the third to least amount of funding?

The problem isn't money.

Oh, so does that mean one can learn something without there being any media or money involved?

Who knew?



Unless you want to insist that (some) people are too weak-minded to even turn off a television set or are incapable of choosing how they spend their money, I'm not sure I'd go there. I think there are a lot of implications with this kind of thinking that people don't want to face...

-Tyrion

Nothing you have said can be considered proof that money isn't a cause or at least a contributing factor. Drawing on personal experience doesn't consititute a very promising argument.


And Tyrion, I already went down that road.

But see, you don't have any real proof to back up your claims, either. I gave a personal example because it showed that money doesn't have to be a factor and because it dealt with my family, I could say with certainty that all of us excelled academically because our parents encouraged us to do so and made us put our schoolwork first.

If you've got 40 minutes to spare sometime, I'd recommend you watch this video as food for thought. Talks a lot about money in relation to education. It doesn't really examine how the flaws in the educational system came into being and such, but for a 40 minute show, it's not too bad.

Fine, I will. I don't have the time to go look for a bunch of statistics, and I'm sure you don't either.

Isn't that like me saying that because you can't prove that God doesn't exist, He exists... or at least He probably exists? Is that the kind of thing you agree with?

Because frankly, the statistics you cited don't prove anything conclusive either, other than that there may be a correlation. Furthermore, if money and technology are such necessary "ingredients" for learning, why aren't you and I hitting stones together to make a fire right about now? ... All the money in the world isn't going to give you the motivation to learn and accomplish something, but the reverse will likely get you a lot if you're willing to see it through.

-Tyrion