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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:19 pm 
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does mixing generes actually create a new genre? yes? no? or do some bands pull it off? it seems to me its just a certain genres vocals with a certain genres guitar style. I wish i thought this through more thoroughly before i posted this, but i know you guys/girls are smart, you can def pick up where i left off.


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Well of course it depends on what the new sound is like, whether it is disimialr enough to exisiting genres to merit a new title. The new sound is obviously going to depend on how much of each style is mixed together. For instance, Children of Bodom didn't create a new genre (despite what some people say) by giving power metal harsh vocals. However, combining metal and hardcore elements a collection of bands did give rise to metalcore as a genre distinct from its two 'parents'.

So I guess the bottom line is that it really varies from case to case.


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my guitar teacher is always complaining about how genre-defined metal is. "oh, we're a melodic death metal band, so we have to play THIS way!" he just doesn't get it... i guess mixing genres, say power metal with melodic death, would make melodic power death metal... wouldn't it?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:37 pm 
FrigidSymphony wrote:
my guitar teacher is always complaining about how genre-defined metal is. "oh, we're a melodic death metal band, so we have to play THIS way!" he just doesn't get it... i guess mixing genres, say power metal with melodic death, would make melodic power death metal... wouldn't it?


and that would be called Children of Bodom :wink:


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Stefan wrote:
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my guitar teacher is always complaining about how genre-defined metal is. "oh, we're a melodic death metal band, so we have to play THIS way!" he just doesn't get it... i guess mixing genres, say power metal with melodic death, would make melodic power death metal... wouldn't it?


and that would be called Children of Bodom :wink:

yeah... just as progressive+power+speed+neo-classical=Sonata Arctica... right?

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FrigidSymphony wrote:
Stefan wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
my guitar teacher is always complaining about how genre-defined metal is. "oh, we're a melodic death metal band, so we have to play THIS way!" he just doesn't get it... i guess mixing genres, say power metal with melodic death, would make melodic power death metal... wouldn't it?


and that would be called Children of Bodom :wink:

yeah... just as progressive+power+speed+neo-classical=Sonata Arctica... right?

No.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 6:30 pm 
Radagast wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
Stefan wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
my guitar teacher is always complaining about how genre-defined metal is. "oh, we're a melodic death metal band, so we have to play THIS way!" he just doesn't get it... i guess mixing genres, say power metal with melodic death, would make melodic power death metal... wouldn't it?


and that would be called Children of Bodom :wink:

yeah... just as progressive+power+speed+neo-classical=Sonata Arctica... right?

No.


indeed, that would be Symphony X and the likes...

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Stefan wrote:
Radagast wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
Stefan wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
my guitar teacher is always complaining about how genre-defined metal is. "oh, we're a melodic death metal band, so we have to play THIS way!" he just doesn't get it... i guess mixing genres, say power metal with melodic death, would make melodic power death metal... wouldn't it?


and that would be called Children of Bodom :wink:

yeah... just as progressive+power+speed+neo-classical=Sonata Arctica... right?

No.


indeed, that would be Symphony X and the likes...

NP
Daedalus "Denies the Day's Demise"
(latina weird techno, this is quite good)


so what equation equals SA?

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Radagast wrote:
Well of course it depends on what the new sound is like, whether it is disimialr enough to exisiting genres to merit a new title. The new sound is obviously going to depend on how much of each style is mixed together. For instance, Children of Bodom didn't create a new genre (despite what some people say) by giving power metal harsh vocals. However, combining metal and hardcore elements a collection of bands did give rise to metalcore as a genre distinct from its two 'parents'.

So I guess the bottom line is that it really varies from case to case.

I think there needs to be a lot of bands doing the style. For instance, System Of A Down did not create a new genre. No one sounds like them, but that doesn't give them a genre all to their own.


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FrigidSymphony wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Radagast wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
Stefan wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
my guitar teacher is always complaining about how genre-defined metal is. "oh, we're a melodic death metal band, so we have to play THIS way!" he just doesn't get it... i guess mixing genres, say power metal with melodic death, would make melodic power death metal... wouldn't it?


and that would be called Children of Bodom :wink:

yeah... just as progressive+power+speed+neo-classical=Sonata Arctica... right?

No.


indeed, that would be Symphony X and the likes...

NP
Daedalus "Denies the Day's Demise"
(latina weird techno, this is quite good)


so what equation equals SA?



Brutal Power Metal


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Dago wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Radagast wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
Stefan wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
my guitar teacher is always complaining about how genre-defined metal is. "oh, we're a melodic death metal band, so we have to play THIS way!" he just doesn't get it... i guess mixing genres, say power metal with melodic death, would make melodic power death metal... wouldn't it?


and that would be called Children of Bodom :wink:

yeah... just as progressive+power+speed+neo-classical=Sonata Arctica... right?

No.


indeed, that would be Symphony X and the likes...

NP
Daedalus "Denies the Day's Demise"
(latina weird techno, this is quite good)


so what equation equals SA?



Brutal Power Metal


ah.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:15 pm 
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Dudeguy wrote:
does mixing generes actually create a new genre? yes? no? or do some bands pull it off? it seems to me its just a certain genres vocals with a certain genres guitar style. I wish i thought this through more thoroughly before i posted this, but i know you guys/girls are smart, you can def pick up where i left off.


It is a Question not to be answered easily. Imagine a graph, and the lines that this graph has, each representing different genres; now when these lines collide and touch it creates and meets to result a new sound, not a new Genre.

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Eyesore wrote:
I think there needs to be a lot of bands doing the style. For instance, System Of A Down did not create a new genre. No one sounds like them, but that doesn't give them a genre all to their own.


They did create their own genre. It's called "Spastic Pseudo-Metal Self-Important Suckfest" :wink:


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Eternal Idol wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
I think there needs to be a lot of bands doing the style. For instance, System Of A Down did not create a new genre. No one sounds like them, but that doesn't give them a genre all to their own.


They did create their own genre. It's called "Spastic Pseudo-Metal Self-Important Suckfest" :wink:



Well said.

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Well, for me genres are just "boxes" in which put a set of bands that sound similar. You can classify bands in a small set of genres, or in a really big list, always there will be bands than fell out of the boxes, or that stand in the intersections, or that changes of genre in each release.

Create a taxonomy of metal is not an easy work.


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FrigidSymphony wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Radagast wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
Stefan wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
my guitar teacher is always complaining about how genre-defined metal is. "oh, we're a melodic death metal band, so we have to play THIS way!" he just doesn't get it... i guess mixing genres, say power metal with melodic death, would make melodic power death metal... wouldn't it?


and that would be called Children of Bodom :wink:

yeah... just as progressive+power+speed+neo-classical=Sonata Arctica... right?

No.


indeed, that would be Symphony X and the likes...

NP
Daedalus "Denies the Day's Demise"
(latina weird techno, this is quite good)


so what equation equals SA?


Power Metal.

Or if you really want to break it down, melodic power/speed metal with pop undertones.

But just Power Metal, really.


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Radagast wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Radagast wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
Stefan wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
my guitar teacher is always complaining about how genre-defined metal is. "oh, we're a melodic death metal band, so we have to play THIS way!" he just doesn't get it... i guess mixing genres, say power metal with melodic death, would make melodic power death metal... wouldn't it?


and that would be called Children of Bodom :wink:

yeah... just as progressive+power+speed+neo-classical=Sonata Arctica... right?

No.


indeed, that would be Symphony X and the likes...

NP
Daedalus "Denies the Day's Demise"
(latina weird techno, this is quite good)


so what equation equals SA?


Power Metal.

Or if you really want to break it down, melodic power/speed metal with pop undertones.

But just Power Metal, really.


you know, to me SA was so good that it ruined a lot of other power metal stuff. I keep wanting catchy melodies and Janis fretwork and the great lyrics....

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Well, for those of us who like audible riffs and varied drum patterns there's a whole other world out there. :wink:


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