Machine Head

Anonymous · **Posted:** Fri Feb 04, 2005 11:25 pm

Doctor of Metal wrote:

When I was young, I could be disappointed when my favourite band released a shitty album, but through the years I lost my emotional involvement with my so-called favourite bands

For me, it was the realization that almost all bands inevitably decline or change, and there was nothing I could gain by getting upset over it. I think this is easier to accept as you get older and see how subtle and thorough personal change can be. Nevertheless, we all still have our favorites.. and it is nice when someone makes a decent comeback.

Caligula_K · **Joined:** Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:56 pm **Posts:** 3561

HumanTorch wrote:

Doctor of Metal wrote:

When I was young, I could be disappointed when my favourite band released a shitty album, but through the years I lost my emotional involvement with my so-called favourite bands

For me, it was the realization that almost all bands inevitably decline or change, and there was nothing I could gain by getting upset over it. I think this is easier to accept as you get older and see how subtle and thorough personal change can be. Nevertheless, we all still have our favorites.. and it is nice when someone makes a decent comeback.

Tis true... Nearly all bands that have been around for a bit have sucked at some point... Except for Sodom. They've just kicked ass the whole way through.

Anonymous · **Posted:** Sat Feb 05, 2005 5:51 am

Brahm_K wrote:

HumanTorch wrote:

Doctor of Metal wrote:

When I was young, I could be disappointed when my favourite band released a shitty album, but through the years I lost my emotional involvement with my so-called favourite bands

For me, it was the realization that almost all bands inevitably decline or change, and there was nothing I could gain by getting upset over it. I think this is easier to accept as you get older and see how subtle and thorough personal change can be. Nevertheless, we all still have our favorites.. and it is nice when someone makes a decent comeback.

Tis true... Nearly all bands that have been around for a bit have sucked at some point... Except for Sodom. They've just kicked ass the whole way through.

I think you didn't understand the whole concept of detachment the Doc talked about... :?

For exemple, from 1983 to 1989 Metallica was, by far, my fav' metal act... I got really disappointed when they did the Black Album but then I was only 20... Recently, they release the worst pile of crap I've ever had the displeasure to listen to but it didn't annoy me that much... I still love old Metallica,but I'm not waiting anything from them. That doesn't mean I won't get hyper-enthusiastic if they release a great album after St Anger (I doubt it though)...

So, I guess, when you grow older the only thing that really matters is to have good music to listen to, you don't put that much heart in the love of a particular band...

I think, that's this kind of detachment the Doc was talking about... Do you get it now ? :roll:

Caligula_K · **Joined:** Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:56 pm **Posts:** 3561

Ya, sorry, I didn't really pay much attention to much of this thread. And I agree with that statement... albums are timeless, bands are not.

Doctor of Metal · **Posted:** Sat Feb 05, 2005 7:48 am

The Immortal Emokid wrote:

Brahm_K wrote:

HumanTorch wrote:

Doctor of Metal wrote:

When I was young, I could be disappointed when my favourite band released a shitty album, but through the years I lost my emotional involvement with my so-called favourite bands

For me, it was the realization that almost all bands inevitably decline or change, and there was nothing I could gain by getting upset over it. I think this is easier to accept as you get older and see how subtle and thorough personal change can be. Nevertheless, we all still have our favorites.. and it is nice when someone makes a decent comeback.

Tis true... Nearly all bands that have been around for a bit have sucked at some point... Except for Sodom. They've just kicked ass the whole way through.

I think you didn't understand the whole concept of detachment the Doc talked about... :?

For exemple, from 1983 to 1989 Metallica was, by far, my fav' metal act... I got really disappointed when they did the Black Album but then I was only 20... Recently, they release the worst pile of crap I've ever had the displeasure to listen to but it didn't annoy me that much... I still love old Metallica,but I'm not waiting anything from them. That doesn't mean I won't get hyper-enthusiastic if they release a great album after St Anger (I doubt it though)...

So, I guess, when you grow older the only thing that really matters is to have good music to listen to, you don't put that much heart in the love of a particular band...

I think, that's this kind of detachment the Doc was talking about... Do you get it now ? :roll:

You've understood me correctly, kiddo

WinterIsComing · **Joined:** Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:23 am **Posts:** 1025

Doctor of Metal wrote:

WinterIsComing wrote:

Seinfeld26 wrote:

WinterIsComing wrote:

I never knew that Machine Head are very mainstream? I didn't think they are extremely popular or extremely influential.

They aren't. Another sort of quirk with the metal community is that they basically think whenever a band decides to implement some mainstream influences in their music, it's automatically because they're "selling out." I wonder if it's ever occured to some metal fans that may be these bands simply LIKE bands like Slipknot and that's why they use them as an influence (rather than to "sell out"). In Flames bashing bothers me, because, well I'll give you an antidote: I go to a college with no less than 10,000 students and I doubt even 2% of the student body even knows who In Flames is. Here in the states, they probably haven't even sold 100,000 records yet (contrary to what I think Danny said in his review for Soundtrack To Your Escape - which is actually a pretty good record IMO). I don't know what the metal market's like over in Europe, but here they certainly wouldn't appear to have "sold out."

In a way I agree, but I would be really pissed if all of a sudden some of my favorite bands decided to totally change their style of music. You do usually expect the band to stay within a certain limited range of their original formula, that is why you liked them in the first place. If you want a certain other sound then you can always listen to bands that do that type of music. Nobody really cares if the band actually likes certain music and now wants to do it too, it is in a way a betrayal of sorts. Not that I am saying that Machine Head are really guilty of that, I think Burning Red was very good, but then again I was never a huge fan of Machine Head so it didn't bother me much that they changed their style, but if say Falconer changed their amazing unique style I would be in bed crying for weeks. The smart way for a band to do it without pissing off many fans is to either change gradually with each CD or to have a couple of experimental tracks on each CD.

When I was young, I could be disappointed when my favourite band released a shitty album, but through the years I lost my emotional involvement with my so-called favourite bands (Metallica, Iron Maiden, Megadeth, etc), not because they changed their style, but because I changed: If a band wants to play something different, I'll give them my blessing.
It's really quite simple: If their new album sounds like shit, I'm just not gonna buy it.

That's the power of the Internet: a almost limitless source of reviews from many different people and the opportunity to prelisten a CD by MP3-samples.

I am not emotionally attached to any bands, but if only one band makes a certain type of music and they change, then it is a big loss.

Seinfeld26 · **Posted:** Sat Feb 05, 2005 5:44 pm

I have a confession to make: I always anticipate a potential departure from a band's norm whenever they release a new album. Even within the generally two years between albums, a lot can happen with these bands and they can develop new musical influences, gain new members, etc. A lot of people complained about how The Glorious Burden showed Iced Earth departing a bit from their norm, but I personally knew that was probably going to happen (especially with Tim Owens replacing Matt Barlow at the mic) and that's part of the reason why I probably enjoyed it more than most.

Anonymous · **Posted:** Sat Feb 05, 2005 6:53 pm

I got a lesson in emotional attachment to more of the same when the black album came out. Took me a damn near a couple of years to get over that.

The winds of change were certainly blowing in the early 90s

Anonymous · **Posted:** Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:41 am

i really dont mind machine head, despite everyone bagging them about being too commercial or nu or rap or whatever. look past it and listen to the music and some of it is quite good. davidian kills, so does imperium (especially the little break toward the end), and alot of other songs off those two albums. yeah their middle three albums were a bit iffy but their first and most recent were quite easy to listen to and enjoy. they also put on a pretty good live show when i saw em last year. and yes i listen to a heap of different types of metal, just not one

Eyesore · **Posted:** Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:43 am

You went digging! I'm not going to read 5 pages of Machine Head bashing so I'll just say that I love Machine Head!! My favorites in order:

Burn My Eyes - A fucking classic. Brutal!
Through The Ashes Of Empires - A true return to their roots. Awesome album!
The More Things Change - A crushing album. Slower, but awesome!
The Burning Red - An excellent album if you can avoid comparing it to BME and TMTC.
Supercharger - A bit of a hiccup. There are some really good tunes here, but it's a bit less realized than the other albums.

Anonymous · **Posted:** Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:09 pm

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have you ever considered they might like what they're doing now ? does that still make sell-outs of them ? :?

PS : I like new In Flames better, now kill me ! :twisted:[/quote]

yeah, I read an interview recently from In Flames and he mentioned listening to Disturbed and a lot of Folk music. You can tell that this guy listens to a lot of different stuff and certainly the sound of In Flames can go in many directions. Thats what makes it fun to follow a band like that.

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