Metal Reviews

Many would disagree with you, that's your opinion, not fact. As I said before, food is rubbish.

I'm not ignoring them, I'm arguing by presenting them differently, which people aren't intelligent enough to understand. It's like the retard living down the road, you show friendliness but inside you want to push him over and stamp on his face. Obviously, the retard in this situation is you, dear Jurgen. And maybe you'll accept this as a metaphorical push-face-stomp, and not present opinion as fact.

Opinion : Rhapsody, Cannibal Corpse and Dimmu Borgir suck
Fact: The earth goes round the sun.

See the difference? Good. Now, you see why am I am presenting the argument that I present? Ah, we're getting there. A picture, for you to rest your eyes upon and give your weary brain time to recover from the physical trauma it has just been put through:



Back to the intellectual debate. Metal is indeed a genre of music, full points there, yet I would argue it is often a sign of quality as well. Hypothetical situation: you can listen to a nameless heavy metal band, or some Ashleeeeee Simpson. Which do you choose?
Obviously, the nameless HM band. Accepting that most modern music is of the Ashleeeeee Simpson variety, metal can therefore be seen as a mark of quality.

An acceptable argument? Note that I haven't repeated myself, but have constructed a *new* argument!

Tung-in-cheek, Jurgen. Don't get all offended, now.

Well, if the nameless heavy metal band is not to my liking, i would choose neither!

PWNAGE!!!111


I think you're intelligent enough to comprehend that if i say that Cannibal Corpse sucks, i'm of course stating my opinion. Or do i need to add an IMO at the end of every sentence?

All along my point was:

Fact: Metal is a genre of music.
Fact: It is very unlikely for a metal fan to like all the metal out there.

I think i've made my point by now. Let's cut the bullshit.



Of course not. For fucks sake, i'm not that retarded!

Lawl. Obviously I meant choose one. I would have put "you have to listen to some music" in, but thought you'd be above silly comments like the one above.



So how does that defend your viewpoint that most metal is crap? I'm a metal fan, and I like most of it that I've heard. Yes, around the corner might be waiting a truckload of Soulfly rip-offs, but compared to the non-metal pop world, the odds are (and this is a fact) I would still rather listen to a Soulfly rip-off than putting Ashleeeeee Simpson on.

I'm a metal fan, yet i don't like most metal. I listen to a lot of stuff outside of metal, and i don't like most of that either.

To put it simply: what i was saying all along, and what Misha was also saying (i think), is that i'm a picky bastard with my music.
But that's just my problem.



Good for you.

I try not to see it that way. I believe the majority of metal is awesome but there are some sections that i really cannot take.

That's a lot more positive. Why so jaded?

I think this is a question of loyalty. Why would one person want to shit on the sofa he still sits on ? "I listen to metal but I think most of it sucks" Why the hell would anyone want to say that ? So don't listen to it if you think it sucks.

And what is most metal ? Have you heard the majority of the metal music ? Can you say that you've heard more than half of the Metal-Archives ? I don't think anyone has.


I know I'm babbling like an idiot, but I can not accept the music I love to be bashed. "I don't like most metal" is understandable but "most metal sucks" is just not cool.

Just remember what brought us all here in the first place and show some decency.

Well, I agree with you upto a certain level. Some genres have the tendency to imply a higher suck level than others. Lets take German Schlager music, written by people with no brains, for people with no brains, generally. Now it's perfectly possible that 2% of it is good, but it doesn't live upto the average quality of metal, which is, let's say 10% (your number, I'd guess higher). As Jürgen said, metal is not a label of quality, but some genres require a more develloped taste than others. Take your King Crimson, the only track on Red that I really dig is Starless, and I admit it must be my lack of taste (yet).

Yeah? What's wrong with saying that? How about I listen to some of the metal that doesn't suck.

Really, think for a second. Take 1000 metal bands off of MA, then if 200 of those are power metal, can we conclude that around 20% of the metal bands on MA are power metal? Yes, we can.

The metal that I love brought me here, and keeps me here, not the metal that sucks. This is not an argument over the fact that I might keep some other genres closer to my heart at the moment, that has nothing to do with it. If you would trace back my old posts you would have found out that I said most black metal sucks numerous times, when the only think I listened to was black metal.

I love good metal. It's the music that speaks to me most (generally speaking). I'm just very picky. At no point in this conversation was i dissing metal in general. And i don't think Misha was either (although i can't speak on his behalf).



Those two phrases are pretty much synonymous. Or at least i meant "I don't like most metal" by saying "most metal sucks".



What i meant by most metal was "most of the metal i have heard in my 10 or so years of being a metalhead".

Of course you're entitled to saying what you feel like, it's just that I don't like people saying most of something sucks which I basically gave 8 years of my life and plan on giving a lot more.



Mathematics doesn't really apply here. So I download 5 metal bands one of them sucks and four of them rules, does that mean %75 of metal is good ? Of course not.




Allright then, there's no point in strectching this longer, let's talk about kickass music.

Well, I din't say the bands you listen to suck, there are a lot of bands we both like a lot (except Darkthrone :x) ;)


Haha, your mathematics suck. Stochasitc mathematics say that if you have just a few samples, that the chance is very large you're way off truth. But if you sample more, you get a more realistic approach of the truth.

Did you like Bekhira?

I luv it.

Someone send me the behkira.

Everybody who wants it PM me.

Should we have a music uploads thread ? Would it be cool ? I'd be happy to upload some shit of mine that people can't find.

hummm... it maybe would displease some people who have the power (like the RIAA)... better keep a low profile and keep it that way... 8)

I don't have anything on my computer that belongs to RIAA labels. I guess not everyone here is in the same boat though.

I've seen it on other forums. Maybe we should get a Members' Only forum for things like that, viewable only with 100 posts or more...