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Have you ever tried any sort of drug?

No. None. And I don't need to. There's no shortage of people in my life that are completely fucked up by drugs, people that once shared the same opinion as you. Moderation changes its colors over time and "moderation" becomes over-indulgence. It happens and 99.9% of the time it's unavoidable. It's like eating, you start eating bad food, but not a lot in your mind. Then you gain weight and your stomach grows and you can eat more, so you do eat more and more and more, but your brain is still telling you it's not a lot. Next think you know you're fat. How the fuck did that happen? The same thing happens with drugs, you start small and think that's OK, but then you do more and more, but you continue to carry the mentality that you're not doing much. Still doing it in moderation.

My father lives in a tent in the woods in the summer and in a homeless shelter in the winter because of drugs. That's all I need to convince me, but the list doesn't end there, not even close. I don't need to do drugs to understand. It's all around me. Someone living in a tent community in the woods with 20 other drug addicts; someone living in a sewage access pipe; someone with AIDS; someone who died from AIDS; someone sitting home on their fat ass all day collecting welfare, getting social security and spending the money on coke and heroin while their baby goes unfed; someone overdosing three times; someone—after getting their own wife hooked on heroin—forcing her into prositution in exchange for money or drugs; the list goes on and on. That is the reality of drugs. You cannot convince me otherwise.

Go and smoke weed, but anything else will more than likely come back to haunt you.

i disagree from knowledge aquired from personal experiences and friends. With the right help, friends and willpower drugs can be 'overcome' by their users.

i'm not a huge fan of the slippery slope argument.

i took too much paracetomol at once a few days ago. next year I'm gonna be mugging old people for my heroin money.

pot and lsd are positive, relaxing experiences (so I've read, I don't partake) so I don't know why people having experienced that would move on to the stuff that has the opposite effect. perhaps I just don't understand the nuanced, condescending fallacy of an argument that is the slippery slope.

indeed

I'm a pot-head (no shame) and I've never been tempted by any other drugs... I'm curious of LSD but I've heard some mushrooms had the exact same effect so maybe some day I'll try some... other than that, I don't drink alcohol (which is a very dangerous drug) and I will always refuse all the chemical drugs around (would it be legal or not)...

on MM's mainman... it's a surprise it didn't happen to him before but it still sad it happened

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Squirrel Nut Zippers "The Inevitable"

People do think weed is the 'safe' drug, but i strongly disagree. Sure, some people can cope with it fine and smoke it as much as they want with hardly any negative effects, but I personally know people who have tried it just once and are now mentally unbalanced to the extreme. You take a risk with any drug and in a way that's part of the fun, and I do think you should be prepared for the consequences. However, I don't think someone should be condemned for falling into drugs in a bad way as it can happen to all of us. It only takes a little curiosity, and whoever says they aren't even a little curious about trying certain drugs is lying.

It depends completely on the person. I've encountered people in my surrounding family / friends who have been on just about every type of drug and each person has suffered / enjoyed different effects. If you have an addictive personality then you should know it and avoid the harder stuff.

I, like Stefan, have been known to partake of the devil weed and I have never experienced anything too bad while on it and have had some of the nicest experiences of my life under it's influence. On the flipside of that I've never taken anything else...It's enough for me.

What it boils down to is drugs are a form of escapism, something we all find in different ways (or else we'd probably go slightly insane) Some people have more to run away from (metaphorically) than others and it's these people that tend to turn to the harder stuff. Some people go too far like our friend Mr Whyndorf and it's just a matter of whether they accept the warning and turn it around or continue down the same path and end up killing themselves. It's just a pity the latter tend to be musical geniuses.

Well, I've smoked weed, taked lsd and some fungs, and I drink alcohol and was (not actually) a tobacco smoker, and I take cofe and tee... and, well, chocolat... all that are drugs.

Well, speed is a drug too, a phsychical drug... as gaming.

All world is full of drugs, and addicted people. Addicted to work, to music, to polithics, to love, to sex. All is question of moderation, in all aspects of live. And knowledge.

The problem with illegal drugs is that usully, what you get, is crap. And in weed is not really dangerous, but in another drugs, it's a great problem.

Flat out, 100% incorrect.

Now, in my experience, I've never once seen anything negative come out of smoking weed. And trust me, I probably know 500 people currently that smoke weed and you can triple that number easily if you want to talk about the people I've know who smoked weed over my 30 years. I just don't see weed as a destructive drug.

But everything, acid, shrooms, heroin, coke, crack, meth, pills, you name it, I've not seen one person do those in moderation for long. It always catches up to them. Sure, people can overcome addiction, no doubt. I'm just saying that in my opinion it is unlikely that someone will do it in moderation for long without either ruinging their life—even if temporarily—by way of over-indulgence, hurt/kill someone by mistake, contract AIDS, etc.. I've just not ever seen anything worthwhile come from drugs.

Sure, this is my opinion, you may disagree, but I have A LOT to base it off of. This isn't me pissing in the wind aimlessly.

Now, that is all I hope to say on the subject because this topic is very volatile.

I didn't want to bring my own experiences into this but I have to. I used to smoke weed sometimes and I quite enjoyed it (not really frequently, on average once a week for about 4 months) until it almost destroyed me. I'm not exaggerating either, it gave me the worst anxiety you can possibly imagine as well as something called depersonalisation (which I still have even though the last time I smoked was about 3 months ago). This is totally off the subject of music I know, but I just feel the need to correct people who think weed is harmless and all the other drugs are fine. I'm not totally ignorant, I know I'm a rare case, but ANY drug is a risk, and if you do a bit of research you'll find weed can be as destructive as any other simply because people think it's SAFE.

I have also tried mushrooms and it was great. But I won't do again as this fragile state I'm in gets worse if I even sip wine.

Hey, look! Elvis!! :shock:

It depends from the individuals. There are people that can take it more than others.

It's all about quitting when you're ahead. I, personally, have tried just about everything besides crack and heroin, and here I am.

I've never let any drugs become the center of my life, except for a short period when I was a cokehead, but that didn't last long due to money shortages and a realization of what, precisely, I was doing to myself. A couple of 8-balls every weekend not only rapes your wallet, but also your sense of reality.

I used to sit down at the computer and type almost random lists of words because I was no fun when coked-up and nobody wanted to talk to me. Heck, I got so lonely that I talked to my cat for hours.

But like I said, I stopped. Because I am self-aware. I started to notice how I would quake and shiver with the simple want after my stash was out for the weekend. That hideous need that lasts for maybe an hour after you finish, all because you want to feel what basically amounts to the front lobe of your brain exploding like a supernova into millions of tiny, individual galaxies within your head.

The point is, it's simple to stop utilizing drugs if you're very self-aware. People who aren't self-aware shouldn't take drugs, ever.

Okay, I'm actually in recovery, and I get lectured by an expert for 3 hours, 2 times a week. This has been going on for 3 months now. So, I've picked up alot of knowledge about addiction, and whatnot. So, I'm going to blow a few theories out of the water right now.

Some people aren't addicted, and can do it, and moderate. A very small few will get away with saying they have some kind of willpower that kept them invincible, despite HEAVY USE. They're wrong, but they got lucky for some reason or another. Chances are, they are cheating themselves of the truth, and actually are drinking or using much more than they think.

Addiction IS genetic, so some people will be a bit more curious than others.

There is no such thing as willpower in the face of addiction, Fingon. Sorry, but an addict will convince him/herself, despite ALL reasons: Lost home, lost family, enormous debts, 10 years of being clean... Any reason means nothing in the head of an addict. They are powerless. "What's the harm? Just once. I cleaned up before, I can do it again." The fact is, is that you NEVER really clean up. Once an addict, always an addict. However, if you stay fearful, and remember the pain, like Eyesore does for instance, then you have a shot at staying away. I use the debts, and the complete desecration of my life as I knew it before my alcoholic ways destroyed everything. I used to be a thriving, happy student, halfway through college, and a collegiate athlete. Now, I live in my parent's living room, playing guitar and listening to metal (Well I guess this is a bonus). While they work, I sit and wait for my liscense to come back in the mail. That's my pain, and on top of that, fear of botching my probation keeps me away from the bottle.

There is NO safe drug. NONE. Not even if you're an alcoholic, and you are smoking a puff of weed. Cross dependency is the very real concept that if you can become addicted to one thing, you're already addicted to everything else. If you aren't killing your liver with alcohol, you're failing a piss test with weed, and killing brain cells on top of it. Let me tell you about Harry. Harry was clean for 15 years. He thought he had his addiction to alcohol beat. BAM, he breaks his arm, gets prescribed to some vicadin, and the next thing you know, he relapses, because the vicadin makes him feel drunk, and to hide his new hobby (feelin' "good") from his wife, he starts smoking weed, which he can lose the smell of by driving with the windows down. He used like a cronic, and would up back in treatment. Now he sits next to me every week, me the first timer, scared shitless I'll be in his shoes in 30 years.

Another example: My friends are huge weed smokers. Daily $40 minimum spent on shit. When they finish what they have off, they're looking for more. When they run out, you know what they end up doing? They get wasted. Drunk as skunks. Why? Because they need to feel "out of it." You're addicted to the feeling, and any one of these drugs has a pleasurable effect... All you have to do is be reminded of what want.

Weedsmokers: I know weed doesn't seem terrible, but it's got you wasting money, doesn't it? Try staying away from it for a while. See how long you last. No month long goals either. Stay away as long as you can. You'll talk yourself into smoking some again. If not, you'll turn to booze. Caffine. Or even, God forbid, a stronger drug.

If you aren't addicted, yet... And those of you who aren't, but use... you wouldn't know it anyway, so this is just an address to anyone who THINKS they aren't addicted. Anyway, if you aren't addicted yet, let me tell you that it only gets WORSE. The more you use, even if it's a single puff, (or shot, or hit,) once a week, for 3 years, YOU WILL SEE A PROGRESSION OF AN ADDICTION! That's a fact. Addiction is a progressive disease. If you become an alcoholic at 15, and quit by 20, and 40 years pass... That's 40 years, longer than you'd been alive before cleaning up! If 40 years pass, and you start drinking, or smoking, thinking you got "it" under control, the relapse is twice as bad as the first time. Think of any scenario you want, it only gets worse.

So, the bullet points of this post would be:

-Willpower doesn't work.
-There's no such thing as a safe drug.
-Cross Dependency proves the last bullet, and if you want more proof, go to an AA meeting, and tell 'em you've never has an ounce of liquor in your life, but could use help with your coccain addiction. See if they kick you out. (They won't)
-Moderate users are people who wouldn't argue for the sake of a drug... IE none of you!
-Addiction is a progressive disease, it only gets worse.

PS to Fingon: Wanna know how well willpower is doing for me right now? I'm debating not posting this, because I'm afraid I'll look like a jerk in the future if I ever relapse. My brain is already setting me up for failure. Fuck it. For you, I'll post this one, buddy.

Oh, those personal anecdotes.

Eyesore - the way you described addition is accurate for those who become dependant, but it is not inevitable - I have been doing them here and there for over 16 years now. It's partly my own psychological makeup, but mostly the people I choose to associate with. If someone's a cokehead, I will just limit the time I spend with them. Drugs are like chocolate - if they're around, I'll do them (to a point; I simply refuse to do herion or crack).

That's intense, not because of the Coke, but because of the way you are going about it. I really hope you never get cocky, and go back for even a BRIEF visit to the supernova, thinking you can somehow stop any complications... That's usually the beginning of a full on relapse. I'll pray for you.

BTW, Do you ever find yourself making lines out of air, or getting a runny nose at the sight of flour, or other white powders? One of the therapists was a coke head, and she has these reactions when she's reminded of the stuff.

Please don't pray for me; I don't believe in a god. It'd be much nicer if you occasionally thought of me, because it's the same thing without the talking to the invisible man thing.

I'm not going back. As lovely as it was, there's no way I'll go back, because it's not really worth it.



It weakened my nose considerably; I have a nigh-constant runny/stuffed nose and get nosebleeds if someone taps the damned thing.

Since I sleepwalk, sometimes I wake up staring at the coffee can where I used to keep my stash, with my ID card at the ready.

That's about it, really. Haven't touched the stuff in almost six months now.

Interesting... Very interesting. I sleepwalk and talk, so that thing about the coffee can is really intriguing.

BTW, when I say pray, I mean hope success for you. Praying to God is what I do for myself. I should've said what I meant. Sorry.

S'allright. So... we cool again? Now that I've cooled down considerably?

As for the sleepwalking thing, it's always good to pay attention to where you are when you wake up. It's a subconscious thing, sleepwalking, so you'll usually be doing something related to desires that you have.

Aaron, aren't you like 15? Jesus fuck! Stay the path of the righteous, dude. Damn.