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http://play.com/play247.asp?pa=search&searchtype=cdartisttitle&searchstring=vehemence&page=search

Is this good? It's the only one play.com has, I'll go and check out some other sites (preferably with free mailorder!)


That's the one that Carnifex was saying was better than GWC. Great album, but half the album GWC was. Basically, it's them, watered down, and playing more to be more accessable. Every song is killer, just not AS killer as the sheer insanity of GWC's set.


I'll pass, but if I do see God Was Created I'll do my best to get my hands on it, if it's as good as you say.


The best. Good man.

I enjoy God Was Created more, but HTWTS is better.

EDIT: Actually, I'd suggest getting GWC first, if only for "Christ, I Fucking Hate You!"


How can you enjoy one more, but think the other is better? Insane. Besides, the songwriting and musicianship all around is at a pinnacle best on GWC, so I don't know what you're talking about. They even rip off some of their own stuff in the creation of new riffs for HTWTS. Don't get me wrong, HTWTS has not one weak song, but it's a fraction... a fucking fraction of what they coulda pulled off. Saddest part is, when I bought Uncorrupted Steel 2 to hear Kill your God months before the new one came out, I was fucking moved to tears. I anticipated the greatest follow up ever. And it was great. Just not as great.


Scum is better than Inside The Torn Apart, but I like the latter more.


What are your points for it being better?


Probably that he doesn't enjoy it that much, but it has classic status, invented grindcore etc. imo Scum isn't very good, but I still have it. 8)


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http://play.com/play247.asp?pa=search&searchtype=cdartisttitle&searchstring=vehemence&page=search

Is this good? It's the only one play.com has, I'll go and check out some other sites (preferably with free mailorder!)


That's the one that Carnifex was saying was better than GWC. Great album, but half the album GWC was. Basically, it's them, watered down, and playing more to be more accessable. Every song is killer, just not AS killer as the sheer insanity of GWC's set.


I'll pass, but if I do see God Was Created I'll do my best to get my hands on it, if it's as good as you say.


The best. Good man.

I enjoy God Was Created more, but HTWTS is better.

EDIT: Actually, I'd suggest getting GWC first, if only for "Christ, I Fucking Hate You!"


How can you enjoy one more, but think the other is better? Insane. Besides, the songwriting and musicianship all around is at a pinnacle best on GWC, so I don't know what you're talking about. They even rip off some of their own stuff in the creation of new riffs for HTWTS. Don't get me wrong, HTWTS has not one weak song, but it's a fraction... a fucking fraction of what they coulda pulled off. Saddest part is, when I bought Uncorrupted Steel 2 to hear Kill your God months before the new one came out, I was fucking moved to tears. I anticipated the greatest follow up ever. And it was great. Just not as great.


Scum is better than Inside The Torn Apart, but I like the latter more.


What are your points for it being better?


Probably that he doesn't enjoy it that much, but it has classic status, invented grindcore etc. imo Scum isn't very good, but I still have it. 8)


That still wouldn't make sense. That'd mean he was going by what other people said was best. But, I'll hear it from him first.


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NewFriendAncientEnemy wrote:
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http://play.com/play247.asp?pa=search&searchtype=cdartisttitle&searchstring=vehemence&page=search

Is this good? It's the only one play.com has, I'll go and check out some other sites (preferably with free mailorder!)


That's the one that Carnifex was saying was better than GWC. Great album, but half the album GWC was. Basically, it's them, watered down, and playing more to be more accessable. Every song is killer, just not AS killer as the sheer insanity of GWC's set.


I'll pass, but if I do see God Was Created I'll do my best to get my hands on it, if it's as good as you say.


The best. Good man.

I enjoy God Was Created more, but HTWTS is better.

EDIT: Actually, I'd suggest getting GWC first, if only for "Christ, I Fucking Hate You!"


How can you enjoy one more, but think the other is better? Insane. Besides, the songwriting and musicianship all around is at a pinnacle best on GWC, so I don't know what you're talking about. They even rip off some of their own stuff in the creation of new riffs for HTWTS. Don't get me wrong, HTWTS has not one weak song, but it's a fraction... a fucking fraction of what they coulda pulled off. Saddest part is, when I bought Uncorrupted Steel 2 to hear Kill your God months before the new one came out, I was fucking moved to tears. I anticipated the greatest follow up ever. And it was great. Just not as great.

I know it doesn't make sense, but it's happened that way for me a couple times. With Darkane, my favorite album of theirs is Expanding Senses, but I think Rusted Angel is better overall. I suppose it's because I try to separate my emotional response to an album from the appreciation of the more technical side of it. Some of the songs on Expanding Senses move me very deeply, but it's a personal response. Someone listening to it without the background of my experiences wouldn't react to it the same way. However, the basic quality of Rusted Angel is indisputable. It's essentially the same thing with Vehemence. I get a certain kind of enjoyment out of listening to God Was Created that I don't get from HTWTS, but it has more to do with my personal likes and dislikes than any impartial measure of quality.


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NewFriendAncientEnemy wrote:
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http://play.com/play247.asp?pa=search&searchtype=cdartisttitle&searchstring=vehemence&page=search

Is this good? It's the only one play.com has, I'll go and check out some other sites (preferably with free mailorder!)


That's the one that Carnifex was saying was better than GWC. Great album, but half the album GWC was. Basically, it's them, watered down, and playing more to be more accessable. Every song is killer, just not AS killer as the sheer insanity of GWC's set.


I'll pass, but if I do see God Was Created I'll do my best to get my hands on it, if it's as good as you say.


The best. Good man.

I enjoy God Was Created more, but HTWTS is better.

EDIT: Actually, I'd suggest getting GWC first, if only for "Christ, I Fucking Hate You!"


How can you enjoy one more, but think the other is better? Insane. Besides, the songwriting and musicianship all around is at a pinnacle best on GWC, so I don't know what you're talking about. They even rip off some of their own stuff in the creation of new riffs for HTWTS. Don't get me wrong, HTWTS has not one weak song, but it's a fraction... a fucking fraction of what they coulda pulled off. Saddest part is, when I bought Uncorrupted Steel 2 to hear Kill your God months before the new one came out, I was fucking moved to tears. I anticipated the greatest follow up ever. And it was great. Just not as great.


Scum is better than Inside The Torn Apart, but I like the latter more.


What are your points for it being better?


Probably that he doesn't enjoy it that much, but it has classic status, invented grindcore etc. imo Scum isn't very good, but I still have it. 8)


That still wouldn't make sense. That'd mean he was going by what other people said was best. But, I'll hear it from him first.


Yay! massive quote boxes ist krieg! 8)


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Carnifex Umbris wrote:
NewFriendAncientEnemy wrote:
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Metalhead_Bastard wrote:
NewFriendAncientEnemy wrote:
Metalhead_Bastard wrote:
http://play.com/play247.asp?pa=search&searchtype=cdartisttitle&searchstring=vehemence&page=search

Is this good? It's the only one play.com has, I'll go and check out some other sites (preferably with free mailorder!)


That's the one that Carnifex was saying was better than GWC. Great album, but half the album GWC was. Basically, it's them, watered down, and playing more to be more accessable. Every song is killer, just not AS killer as the sheer insanity of GWC's set.


I'll pass, but if I do see God Was Created I'll do my best to get my hands on it, if it's as good as you say.


The best. Good man.

I enjoy God Was Created more, but HTWTS is better.

EDIT: Actually, I'd suggest getting GWC first, if only for "Christ, I Fucking Hate You!"


How can you enjoy one more, but think the other is better? Insane. Besides, the songwriting and musicianship all around is at a pinnacle best on GWC, so I don't know what you're talking about. They even rip off some of their own stuff in the creation of new riffs for HTWTS. Don't get me wrong, HTWTS has not one weak song, but it's a fraction... a fucking fraction of what they coulda pulled off. Saddest part is, when I bought Uncorrupted Steel 2 to hear Kill your God months before the new one came out, I was fucking moved to tears. I anticipated the greatest follow up ever. And it was great. Just not as great.

I know it doesn't make sense, but it's happened that way for me a couple times. With Darkane, my favorite album of theirs is Expanding Senses, but I think Rusted Angel is better overall. I suppose it's because I try to separate my emotional response to an album from the appreciation of the more technical side of it. Some of the songs on Expanding Senses move me very deeply, but it's a personal response. Someone listening to it without the background of my experiences wouldn't react to it the same way. However, the basic quality of Rusted Angel is indisputable. It's essentially the same thing with Vehemence. I get a certain kind of enjoyment out of listening to God Was Created that I don't get from HTWTS, but it has more to do with my personal likes and dislikes than any impartial measure of quality.


Okay, so the point is that you are seperating the emotional response from the appreciation of the more technical side? You are being impartial, and not favoring your favorite, even though it has what it takes to be your favorite? Okaaaaay. Too bad the only plus to HTWTS is that it's more accessable, and newbie friendly.

I mean, seriously, I don't get it. Not only do they rip themselves off, write half the riffs, write half the quality, and fall short of the showmanship on GWC... They also mixed and produced the album in a poor manner just to (Words from their mouth) make the album sound "different." Now, I'll admit, alot of that is my opinion... But, we are talking two albums that could've been shuffled together. I respect both a great deal, just not equally. Here's how it would turn out. Listening to it for the first time, many people wouldn't have known which was which. You know how they woulda seperated the two? By finding the weaker production technique, and the shorter, radio friendly, more oft chorus raped song structures that made HTWTS less memorable, less epic, and totally non-earth-moving. That wasn't their game in the beginning... why now?

Are you saying you like HTWTS more, or are you just letting your pre-conceptions about what others consider good do the judging for you? Or maybe, you treat this as I treat Chainheart Machine and A Predator's Portrait. More likely... I mean, I can see why people LOVE Chainheart Machine, and it's a classic. Really is. In fact, it's almost criminal how little I actually listen to it, as opposed to the blessed APP. You know what I think is more criminal? That APP isn't considered a classic. It's so their best! Its style clashes violently with my tastes... and Chainheart Machine was MADE FOR ME! It's what I dig about Melodic Death Metal, but fuck all. It got fucking TROUNCED by the effort I would've never saw coming. I recommend it with stiff warning about having a hard shell.

I'd know what you were saying if you were being true to yourself, but this just sounds influenced.


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Okay, so the point is that you are seperating the emotional response from the appreciation of the more technical side? You are being impartial, and not favoring your favorite, even though it has what it takes to be your favorite? Okaaaaay. Too bad the only plus to HTWTS is that it's more accessable, and newbie friendly.

I mean, seriously, I don't get it. Not only do they rip themselves off, write half the riffs, write half the quality, and fall short of the showmanship on GWC... They also mixed and produced the album in a poor manner just to (Words from their mouth) make the album sound "different." Now, I'll admit, alot of that is my opinion... But, we are talking two albums that could've been shuffled together. I respect both a great deal, just not equally. Here's how it would turn out. Listening to it for the first time, many people wouldn't have known which was which. You know how they woulda seperated the two? By finding the weaker production technique, and the shorter, radio friendly, more oft chorus raped song structures that made HTWTS less memorable, less epic, and totally non-earth-moving. That wasn't their game in the beginning... why now?

Are you saying you like HTWTS more, or are you just letting your pre-conceptions about what others consider good do the judging for you? Or maybe, you treat this as I treat Chainheart Machine and A Predator's Portrait. More likely... I mean, I can see why people LOVE Chainheart Machine, and it's a classic. Really is. In fact, it's almost criminal how little I actually listen to it, as opposed to the blessed APP. You know what I think is more criminal? That APP isn't considered a classic. It's so their best! Its style clashes violently with my tastes... and Chainheart Machine was MADE FOR ME! It's what I dig about Melodic Death Metal, but fuck all. It got fucking TROUNCED by the effort I would've never saw coming. I recommend it with stiff warning about having a hard shell.

I'd know what you were saying if you were being true to yourself, but this just sounds influenced.

Actually, it's probably a result of the fact that I have a tendency to overthink everything, not just music. I don't trust emotions to be a valid guide, so I fall back on logic and rational thought. The question ceases to be "why do I like this?" and becomes "why is this good, bad or mediocre?" Thus, I end up with split opinions on a lot of things. It tends to happen more in music than anything else, because despite eight years of formal training, I've always approached music with my emotions first, just because it's music, and that's what it does. If it doesn't evoke some sort of visceral response from the listener, there's not much point to it (even very mechanical music does that; a lack of emotion in the music itself doesn't preclude emotions in the listener).

When I analyze music, I tend to try to separate myself from my likes and dislikes, and look at melody, riffs, etc. This sometimes ends up splitting my opinion based on the different criteria. For example, with Vehemence, one of the reasons I like GWC so much is that I take a very large and entirely purile enjoyment out of "Christ, I Fucking Hate You!" It's a good song based on any criteria, but I fully admit that the reason I like it so much is that it's one of the most vile, foul and blasphemous pieces of music I've ever encountered. However, not everyone is a sick bastard with the sense of humor of an incredibly fucked-up fourteen-year-old like I am, so they probably wouldn't get quite as much enjoyment out of that song as I do.


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Okay, so the point is that you are seperating the emotional response from the appreciation of the more technical side? You are being impartial, and not favoring your favorite, even though it has what it takes to be your favorite? Okaaaaay. Too bad the only plus to HTWTS is that it's more accessable, and newbie friendly.

I mean, seriously, I don't get it. Not only do they rip themselves off, write half the riffs, write half the quality, and fall short of the showmanship on GWC... They also mixed and produced the album in a poor manner just to (Words from their mouth) make the album sound "different." Now, I'll admit, alot of that is my opinion... But, we are talking two albums that could've been shuffled together. I respect both a great deal, just not equally. Here's how it would turn out. Listening to it for the first time, many people wouldn't have known which was which. You know how they woulda seperated the two? By finding the weaker production technique, and the shorter, radio friendly, more oft chorus raped song structures that made HTWTS less memorable, less epic, and totally non-earth-moving. That wasn't their game in the beginning... why now?

Are you saying you like HTWTS more, or are you just letting your pre-conceptions about what others consider good do the judging for you? Or maybe, you treat this as I treat Chainheart Machine and A Predator's Portrait. More likely... I mean, I can see why people LOVE Chainheart Machine, and it's a classic. Really is. In fact, it's almost criminal how little I actually listen to it, as opposed to the blessed APP. You know what I think is more criminal? That APP isn't considered a classic. It's so their best! Its style clashes violently with my tastes... and Chainheart Machine was MADE FOR ME! It's what I dig about Melodic Death Metal, but fuck all. It got fucking TROUNCED by the effort I would've never saw coming. I recommend it with stiff warning about having a hard shell.

I'd know what you were saying if you were being true to yourself, but this just sounds influenced.

Actually, it's probably a result of the fact that I have a tendency to overthink everything, not just music. I don't trust emotions to be a valid guide, so I fall back on logic and rational thought. The question ceases to be "why do I like this?" and becomes "why is this good, bad or mediocre?" Thus, I end up with split opinions on a lot of things. It tends to happen more in music than anything else, because despite eight years of formal training, I've always approached music with my emotions first, just because it's music, and that's what it does. If it doesn't evoke some sort of visceral response from the listener, there's not much point to it (even very mechanical music does that; a lack of emotion in the music itself doesn't preclude emotions in the listener).

When I analyze music, I tend to try to separate myself from my likes and dislikes, and look at melody, riffs, etc. This sometimes ends up splitting my opinion based on the different criteria. For example, with Vehemence, one of the reasons I like GWC so much is that I take a very large and entirely purile enjoyment out of "Christ, I Fucking Hate You!" It's a good song based on any criteria, but I fully admit that the reason I like it so much is that it's one of the most vile, foul and blasphemous pieces of music I've ever encountered. However, not everyone is a sick bastard with the sense of humor of an incredibly fucked-up fourteen-year-old like I am, so they probably wouldn't get quite as much enjoyment out of that song as I do.


Yeah, I know how that is. You practically know someone is gunna reject it because they don't have an open mind, or something like that. Now I see where you were coming from... You wanted to give Pete the definite hook, line, and sinker.


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NewFriendAncientEnemy wrote:
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Okay, so the point is that you are seperating the emotional response from the appreciation of the more technical side? You are being impartial, and not favoring your favorite, even though it has what it takes to be your favorite? Okaaaaay. Too bad the only plus to HTWTS is that it's more accessable, and newbie friendly.

I mean, seriously, I don't get it. Not only do they rip themselves off, write half the riffs, write half the quality, and fall short of the showmanship on GWC... They also mixed and produced the album in a poor manner just to (Words from their mouth) make the album sound "different." Now, I'll admit, alot of that is my opinion... But, we are talking two albums that could've been shuffled together. I respect both a great deal, just not equally. Here's how it would turn out. Listening to it for the first time, many people wouldn't have known which was which. You know how they woulda seperated the two? By finding the weaker production technique, and the shorter, radio friendly, more oft chorus raped song structures that made HTWTS less memorable, less epic, and totally non-earth-moving. That wasn't their game in the beginning... why now?

Are you saying you like HTWTS more, or are you just letting your pre-conceptions about what others consider good do the judging for you? Or maybe, you treat this as I treat Chainheart Machine and A Predator's Portrait. More likely... I mean, I can see why people LOVE Chainheart Machine, and it's a classic. Really is. In fact, it's almost criminal how little I actually listen to it, as opposed to the blessed APP. You know what I think is more criminal? That APP isn't considered a classic. It's so their best! Its style clashes violently with my tastes... and Chainheart Machine was MADE FOR ME! It's what I dig about Melodic Death Metal, but fuck all. It got fucking TROUNCED by the effort I would've never saw coming. I recommend it with stiff warning about having a hard shell.

I'd know what you were saying if you were being true to yourself, but this just sounds influenced.

Actually, it's probably a result of the fact that I have a tendency to overthink everything, not just music. I don't trust emotions to be a valid guide, so I fall back on logic and rational thought. The question ceases to be "why do I like this?" and becomes "why is this good, bad or mediocre?" Thus, I end up with split opinions on a lot of things. It tends to happen more in music than anything else, because despite eight years of formal training, I've always approached music with my emotions first, just because it's music, and that's what it does. If it doesn't evoke some sort of visceral response from the listener, there's not much point to it (even very mechanical music does that; a lack of emotion in the music itself doesn't preclude emotions in the listener).

When I analyze music, I tend to try to separate myself from my likes and dislikes, and look at melody, riffs, etc. This sometimes ends up splitting my opinion based on the different criteria. For example, with Vehemence, one of the reasons I like GWC so much is that I take a very large and entirely purile enjoyment out of "Christ, I Fucking Hate You!" It's a good song based on any criteria, but I fully admit that the reason I like it so much is that it's one of the most vile, foul and blasphemous pieces of music I've ever encountered. However, not everyone is a sick bastard with the sense of humor of an incredibly fucked-up fourteen-year-old like I am, so they probably wouldn't get quite as much enjoyment out of that song as I do.


Yeah, I know how that is. You practically know someone is gunna reject it because they don't have an open mind, or something like that. Now I see where you were coming from... You wanted to give Pete the definite hook, line, and sinker.

Well, is recommending "Christ, I Fucking Hate You!" to the author of the satanpornogrindcore song off the mark? I submit that it is not.


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Carnifex Umbris wrote:
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Okay, so the point is that you are seperating the emotional response from the appreciation of the more technical side? You are being impartial, and not favoring your favorite, even though it has what it takes to be your favorite? Okaaaaay. Too bad the only plus to HTWTS is that it's more accessable, and newbie friendly.

I mean, seriously, I don't get it. Not only do they rip themselves off, write half the riffs, write half the quality, and fall short of the showmanship on GWC... They also mixed and produced the album in a poor manner just to (Words from their mouth) make the album sound "different." Now, I'll admit, alot of that is my opinion... But, we are talking two albums that could've been shuffled together. I respect both a great deal, just not equally. Here's how it would turn out. Listening to it for the first time, many people wouldn't have known which was which. You know how they woulda seperated the two? By finding the weaker production technique, and the shorter, radio friendly, more oft chorus raped song structures that made HTWTS less memorable, less epic, and totally non-earth-moving. That wasn't their game in the beginning... why now?

Are you saying you like HTWTS more, or are you just letting your pre-conceptions about what others consider good do the judging for you? Or maybe, you treat this as I treat Chainheart Machine and A Predator's Portrait. More likely... I mean, I can see why people LOVE Chainheart Machine, and it's a classic. Really is. In fact, it's almost criminal how little I actually listen to it, as opposed to the blessed APP. You know what I think is more criminal? That APP isn't considered a classic. It's so their best! Its style clashes violently with my tastes... and Chainheart Machine was MADE FOR ME! It's what I dig about Melodic Death Metal, but fuck all. It got fucking TROUNCED by the effort I would've never saw coming. I recommend it with stiff warning about having a hard shell.

I'd know what you were saying if you were being true to yourself, but this just sounds influenced.

Actually, it's probably a result of the fact that I have a tendency to overthink everything, not just music. I don't trust emotions to be a valid guide, so I fall back on logic and rational thought. The question ceases to be "why do I like this?" and becomes "why is this good, bad or mediocre?" Thus, I end up with split opinions on a lot of things. It tends to happen more in music than anything else, because despite eight years of formal training, I've always approached music with my emotions first, just because it's music, and that's what it does. If it doesn't evoke some sort of visceral response from the listener, there's not much point to it (even very mechanical music does that; a lack of emotion in the music itself doesn't preclude emotions in the listener).

When I analyze music, I tend to try to separate myself from my likes and dislikes, and look at melody, riffs, etc. This sometimes ends up splitting my opinion based on the different criteria. For example, with Vehemence, one of the reasons I like GWC so much is that I take a very large and entirely purile enjoyment out of "Christ, I Fucking Hate You!" It's a good song based on any criteria, but I fully admit that the reason I like it so much is that it's one of the most vile, foul and blasphemous pieces of music I've ever encountered. However, not everyone is a sick bastard with the sense of humor of an incredibly fucked-up fourteen-year-old like I am, so they probably wouldn't get quite as much enjoyment out of that song as I do.


Yeah, I know how that is. You practically know someone is gunna reject it because they don't have an open mind, or something like that. Now I see where you were coming from... You wanted to give Pete the definite hook, line, and sinker.

Well, is recommending "Christ, I Fucking Hate You!" to the author of the satanpornogrindcore song off the mark? I submit that it is not.


I submit that "I didn't kill her" woulda been better. :P Actually, since you've made it obvious which song is your fav, I'll just say that "She never noticed me" is the greatest thing I've ever heard. Then again, "The Last Fantasy of Christ" is the perfect lubricant to the perfect series of songs that close out the album as strongly as it began. Yeah, those are prolly my two most ultra favs. Have you looked into Vehemence's 1st album by any chance?


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I submit that "I didn't kill her" woulda been better. :P Actually, since you've made it obvious which song is your fav, I'll just say that "She never noticed me" is the greatest thing I've ever heard. Then again, "The Last Fantasy of Christ" is the perfect lubricant to the perfect series of songs that close out the album as strongly as it began. Yeah, those are prolly my two most ultra favs. Have you looked into Vehemence's 1st album by any chance?

Really, the whole album is great, and all very appropriate. As for the first one, I've never gotten ahold of it.


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Basically, what Pete said. Scum invented grind, has its own punky vibe that I love, but in terms of sheer catchiness ITTA beats it. In terms of ND's discog, however, ITTA is far from their best work.


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I'm thinking of Nattens Madrigal over Heaven Shall Burn, what do ya think?


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I'm thinking of Nattens Madrigal over Heaven Shall Burn, what do ya think?


That's a no brainer. Nattens Madrigal is FUCKING AWSOME.

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crast wrote:
Metalhead_Bastard wrote:
I'm thinking of Nattens Madrigal over Heaven Shall Burn, what do ya think?


That's a no brainer. Nattens Madrigal is FUCKING AWSOME.

.:crast:.


Well, it better damn shape up to In The Nightside Eclipse, which is the par for black metal. (I'm screaming along right now)


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Metalhead_Bastard wrote:
crast wrote:
Metalhead_Bastard wrote:
I'm thinking of Nattens Madrigal over Heaven Shall Burn, what do ya think?


That's a no brainer. Nattens Madrigal is FUCKING AWSOME.

.:crast:.


Well, it better damn shape up to In The Nightside Eclipse, which is the par for black metal. (I'm screaming along right now)


I hate to say this about such a good album, but having digested both at the detriment of my ears, Nattens Madrigal ABSOLUTELY OWNS ITNE.


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lizardtail wrote:
Metalhead_Bastard wrote:
crast wrote:
Metalhead_Bastard wrote:
I'm thinking of Nattens Madrigal over Heaven Shall Burn, what do ya think?


That's a no brainer. Nattens Madrigal is FUCKING AWSOME.

.:crast:.


Well, it better damn shape up to In The Nightside Eclipse, which is the par for black metal. (I'm screaming along right now)


I hate to say this about such a good album, but having digested both at the detriment of my ears, Nattens Madrigal ABSOLUTELY OWNS ITNE.


Well, I think I'm going to have to get it, I'm kinda glad V. isn't here to read this, he'd probably kick up a shit-storm as soon as I asked. Is it true about NM being almost unbearable to listen to? And no review has ever really said why it is good, merely told me it is-why is it so good?


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Metalhead_Bastard wrote:
lizardtail wrote:
Metalhead_Bastard wrote:
crast wrote:
Metalhead_Bastard wrote:
I'm thinking of Nattens Madrigal over Heaven Shall Burn, what do ya think?


That's a no brainer. Nattens Madrigal is FUCKING AWSOME.

.:crast:.


Well, it better damn shape up to In The Nightside Eclipse, which is the par for black metal. (I'm screaming along right now)


I hate to say this about such a good album, but having digested both at the detriment of my ears, Nattens Madrigal ABSOLUTELY OWNS ITNE.


Well, I think I'm going to have to get it, I'm kinda glad V. isn't here to read this, he'd probably kick up a shit-storm as soon as I asked. Is it true about NM being almost unbearable to listen to? And no review has ever really said why it is good, merely told me it is-why is it so good?


It has a very special sound. Very very raw sound, and that is one of the things that makes it so fucking great. Even through this incredibly wall of noise, you can easily pick out the amazing melodies. The vocals are spinechillingly good. Agrhh, gotto listen to this now.

Get it, you will not regret this!!!

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crast wrote:
Metalhead_Bastard wrote:
lizardtail wrote:
Metalhead_Bastard wrote:
crast wrote:
Metalhead_Bastard wrote:
I'm thinking of Nattens Madrigal over Heaven Shall Burn, what do ya think?


That's a no brainer. Nattens Madrigal is FUCKING AWSOME.

.:crast:.


Well, it better damn shape up to In The Nightside Eclipse, which is the par for black metal. (I'm screaming along right now)


I hate to say this about such a good album, but having digested both at the detriment of my ears, Nattens Madrigal ABSOLUTELY OWNS ITNE.


Well, I think I'm going to have to get it, I'm kinda glad V. isn't here to read this, he'd probably kick up a shit-storm as soon as I asked. Is it true about NM being almost unbearable to listen to? And no review has ever really said why it is good, merely told me it is-why is it so good?


It has a very special sound. Very very raw sound, and that is one of the things that makes it so fucking great. Even through this incredibly wall of noise, you can easily pick out the amazing melodies. The vocals are spinechillingly good. Agrhh, gotto listen to this now.

Get it, you will not regret this!!!

.:crast:.


So at the moment I'm getting:
Blood Red Throne-Altared Genisis (or possibly another one, they're apparently all of similiar quality, and it might come down to which one is cheapest)
Cannibal Corpse-Live Cannibalism (not debatable, I want more Cannibal Corpse-or possibly a differant Corpse album, if any are recomended over this hehe)
Emperor-Anthems To The Welkin At Dusk (I've been meaning to get this for ages, but could usually only find ITNE, IXE AND P:DOFAD)
Ulver-Nattens Madrigal (due to popular demand, and I'd acyually rather get Bergatt, but it 'aint in play.com)

That seem like a good haul?


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So at the moment I'm getting:
Blood Red Throne-Altared Genisis (or possibly another one, they're apparently all of similiar quality, and it might come down to which one is cheapest)
Cannibal Corpse-Live Cannibalism (not debatable, I want more Cannibal Corpse-or possibly a differant Corpse album, if any are recomended over this hehe)
Emperor-Anthems To The Welkin At Dusk (I've been meaning to get this for ages, but could usually only find ITNE, IXE AND P:DOFAD)
Ulver-Nattens Madrigal (due to popular demand, and I'd acyually rather get Bergatt, but it 'aint in play.com)

That seem like a good haul?


Apart from the BRT, yeah, I'd say it seems awsome!
'Anthems...' is also an amazing album, the best Emperor has done IMHO.

'Live Cannibalism' is fun for a bit, but I've got a hard time listening to CC on CD. They're more fun live, especially after a few beers.

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crast wrote:
Metalhead_Bastard wrote:

So at the moment I'm getting:
Blood Red Throne-Altared Genisis (or possibly another one, they're apparently all of similiar quality, and it might come down to which one is cheapest)
Cannibal Corpse-Live Cannibalism (not debatable, I want more Cannibal Corpse-or possibly a differant Corpse album, if any are recomended over this hehe)
Emperor-Anthems To The Welkin At Dusk (I've been meaning to get this for ages, but could usually only find ITNE, IXE AND P:DOFAD)
Ulver-Nattens Madrigal (due to popular demand, and I'd acyually rather get Bergatt, but it 'aint in play.com)

That seem like a good haul?


Apart from the BRT, yeah, I'd say it seems awsome!
'Anthems...' is also an amazing album, the best Emperor has done IMHO.

'Live Cannibalism' is fun for a bit, but I've got a hard time listening to CC on CD. They're more fun live, especially after a few beers.

.:crast:.


I'm seeing them in April, and I shalt mooooooosh. Go on then, what's better death metal over BRT?


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