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Anybody else think King's X first ten years in the recording business were almost flawless?
Too bad they lost their touch after they were fired by Atlantic Records, still some good songs here and there but far from their past grandeur.

People! Listen to King's X!!! :dio:

I own Faith, Hope, Love By King's X. I like it a lot, but it seems like Coheed, yes, and flower kings have been my bands of choice in my prog rock stages.

metalNESS wrote:

I own Faith, Hope, Love By King's X. I like it a lot, but it seems like Coheed, yes, and flower kings have been my bands of choice in my prog rock stages.

King's X are not a prog band, more kind of a hard rock meets pop thingy, I don't see why people label them prog... Is it because Ty Tabor has had side projects with members of prog bands ? Anyway, they were a terrific band up to Ear Candy (which already was a tad weaker than their prior efforts)... Too bad the more recent stuff doesn't live to their early years (I stand by it my dear Ken and I gave the stuff enough listens to make up my mind)...

By the way Coheed And Cambria aren't prog either...

Stefan wrote:

metalNESS wrote:

I own Faith, Hope, Love By King's X. I like it a lot, but it seems like Coheed, yes, and flower kings have been my bands of choice in my prog rock stages.

Both bands are can easily be classified as prog.

metalNESS wrote:

Stefan wrote:

metalNESS wrote:

I own Faith, Hope, Love By King's X. I like it a lot, but it seems like Coheed, yes, and flower kings have been my bands of choice in my prog rock stages.

Both bands are can easily be classified as prog.

I disagree... What is prog about King's X? They are influenced by bands or artists like Black Sabbath, the Beatles, the Beach Boys, Jimi Hendrix... None of those are prog whatsoever... If you think King's X are prog then you surely haven't understood anything to what prog is.

Sabbath totally had some proggy stuff...

Zad wrote:

Sabbath totally had some proggy stuff...

Does that make them a prog band? No.

So, does a few prog elements make King's X prog? No, again.

Problem solved. Thanks Zad!

Stefan wrote:

Zad wrote:

Sabbath totally had some proggy stuff...

Does that make them a prog band? No.

So, does a few prog elements make King's X prog? No, again.

Problem solved. Thanks Zad!

Really, it depends on how you look at it. They were very progressive for their time, why does that mean they're not a Prog band? By your reasoning, Genesis aren't a Prog band, as they had some Prog stuff, and lots of pop stuff!

And since when did a band have to be influenced only by prog bands to be considered prog? That's another doozy of a statement. If that's true, then there has never been a prog band in existence, or any genre of music for that matter. By your logic, there's never been a rock band since rock was derived from blues, jazz, etc. Pretty asinine argument if you ask me.

Adam wrote:

Did I say that? :blink:

In my opinion, the finest prog bands are those who have the less prog rock influences. That way they can create their own stuff instead of copying what previous bands did before.
For example, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, The Mars Volta or Secret Chiefs 3 are, imo, the best prog bands around now and their influences come from much more than just progressive rock bands.

Stefan wrote:

Adam wrote:

Did I say that? :blink:

I definitely agree with you there, perhaps I just misinterpreted this statement:

Stefan wrote:

I read that statement as you saying King's X are not prog because they are influenced by non-prog bands. If that's not what you meant, then I misunderstood your post.

Author:	Stefan [ Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:44 am ]
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Anybody else think King's X first ten years in the recording business were almost flawless? Too bad they lost their touch after they were fired by Atlantic Records, still some good songs here and there but far from their past grandeur. People! Listen to King's X!!!

Author:	Ness [ Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:03 am ]
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I own Faith, Hope, Love By King's X. I like it a lot, but it seems like Coheed, yes, and flower kings have been my bands of choice in my prog rock stages.

Author:	Afro Lint [ Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:38 am ]
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Stefan wrote: Anybody else think King's X first ten years in the recording business were almost flawless? Too bad they lost their touch after they were fired by Atlantic Records, still some good songs here and there but far from their past grandeur. People! Listen to King's X!!! Didn't you do this thread a long time ago? Either way, new and old King's X is awesome. No way are they past it. They're just a different band now. I suggest you give all their latest stuff another listen. And don't forget the side-projects.

Author:	Stefan [ Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:31 pm ]
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metalNESS wrote: I own Faith, Hope, Love By King's X. I like it a lot, but it seems like Coheed, yes, and flower kings have been my bands of choice in my prog rock stages. King's X are not a prog band, more kind of a hard rock meets pop thingy, I don't see why people label them prog... Is it because Ty Tabor has had side projects with members of prog bands ? Anyway, they were a terrific band up to Ear Candy (which already was a tad weaker than their prior efforts)... Too bad the more recent stuff doesn't live to their early years (I stand by it my dear Ken and I gave the stuff enough listens to make up my mind)... By the way Coheed And Cambria aren't prog either...

Author:	Ness [ Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:24 pm ]
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Stefan wrote: metalNESS wrote: I own Faith, Hope, Love By King's X. I like it a lot, but it seems like Coheed, yes, and flower kings have been my bands of choice in my prog rock stages. King's X are not a prog band, more kind of a hard rock meets pop thingy, I don't see why people label them prog... Is it because Ty Tabor has had side projects with members of prog bands ? Anyway, they were a terrific band up to Ear Candy (which already was a tad weaker than their prior efforts)... Too bad the more recent stuff doesn't live to their early years (I stand by it my dear Ken and I gave the stuff enough listens to make up my mind)... By the way Coheed And Cambria aren't prog either... Both bands are can easily be classified as prog.

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Author:	Stefan [ Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:27 pm ]
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metalNESS wrote: Stefan wrote: metalNESS wrote: I own Faith, Hope, Love By King's X. I like it a lot, but it seems like Coheed, yes, and flower kings have been my bands of choice in my prog rock stages. King's X are not a prog band, more kind of a hard rock meets pop thingy, I don't see why people label them prog... Is it because Ty Tabor has had side projects with members of prog bands ? Anyway, they were a terrific band up to Ear Candy (which already was a tad weaker than their prior efforts)... Too bad the more recent stuff doesn't live to their early years (I stand by it my dear Ken and I gave the stuff enough listens to make up my mind)... By the way Coheed And Cambria aren't prog either... Both bands are can easily be classified as prog. I disagree... What is prog about King's X? They are influenced by bands or artists like Black Sabbath, the Beatles, the Beach Boys, Jimi Hendrix... None of those are prog whatsoever... If you think King's X are prog then you surely haven't understood anything to what prog is.

Author:	Ness [ Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:31 pm ]
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Stefan wrote: metalNESS wrote: Stefan wrote: metalNESS wrote: I own Faith, Hope, Love By King's X. I like it a lot, but it seems like Coheed, yes, and flower kings have been my bands of choice in my prog rock stages. King's X are not a prog band, more kind of a hard rock meets pop thingy, I don't see why people label them prog... Is it because Ty Tabor has had side projects with members of prog bands ? Anyway, they were a terrific band up to Ear Candy (which already was a tad weaker than their prior efforts)... Too bad the more recent stuff doesn't live to their early years (I stand by it my dear Ken and I gave the stuff enough listens to make up my mind)... By the way Coheed And Cambria aren't prog either... Both bands are can easily be classified as prog. I disagree... What is prog about King's X? They are influenced by bands or artists like Black Sabbath, the Beatles, the Beach Boys, Jimi Hendrix... None of those are prog whatsoever... If you think King's X are prog then you surely haven't understood anything to what prog is. Just b/c a band isn't influenced by prog music, doesn't mean they can't play prog themselves. Man, I do not miss your elitist point of view/comments judging people what so ever.

Author:	Afro Lint [ Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:21 pm ]
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Man, I hate to agree with Stefan, but I do. Haha. I don't think either are prog bands, though when it comes to Coheed I can't base that opinion off more than a handful of songs, so I could be wrong. But King's X are definitely more of a hard rock band. Yes, there are progressive elements in their music—to deny this would be idiotic—but I don't think it's enough to label them progressive. However, I don't think it's entirely a bad thing for them to be given the "prog" tag, either. Prog today is far removed from the original meaning of the term and while King's X surely aren't true prog, I'd say they fit within that convoluted neo-prog genre of today easily enough. Progressive hard rock. Not too far off the mark.

Author:	Goat [ Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:21 am ]
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Sabbath totally had some proggy stuff...

Author:	TheOctavarius [ Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:59 am ]
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Zad wrote: Sabbath totally had some proggy stuff... Sabotage, for instance.

Author:	Stefan [ Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:40 pm ]
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Zad wrote: Sabbath totally had some proggy stuff... Does that make them a prog band? No. So, does a few prog elements make King's X prog? No, again. Problem solved. Thanks Zad!

Author:	Goat [ Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:20 pm ]
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Stefan wrote: Zad wrote: Sabbath totally had some proggy stuff... Does that make them a prog band? No. So, does a few prog elements make King's X prog? No, again. Problem solved. Thanks Zad! Really, it depends on how you look at it. They were very progressive for their time, why does that mean they're not a Prog band? By your reasoning, Genesis aren't a Prog band, as they had some Prog stuff, and lots of pop stuff!

Author:	Stefan [ Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:58 pm ]
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Zad wrote: Stefan wrote: Zad wrote: Sabbath totally had some proggy stuff... Does that make them a prog band? No. So, does a few prog elements make King's X prog? No, again. Problem solved. Thanks Zad! Really, it depends on how you look at it. They were very progressive for their time, why does that mean they're not a Prog band? By your reasoning, Genesis aren't a Prog band, as they had some Prog stuff, and lots of pop stuff! Genesis 1970-1978 were a prog band despite a few pop songs. I do agree Genesis were MORE than just a prog band though...

Author:	Adam [ Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:25 pm ]
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While I can see both sides of the King's X prog/not prog argument, Coheed and Cambria are absolutely prog. Anyone who says otherwise is suffering from genre definition tunnel vision in my opinion. And since when did a band have to be influenced only by prog bands to be considered prog? That's another doozy of a statement. If that's true, then there has never been a prog band in existence, or any genre of music for that matter. By your logic, there's never been a rock band since rock was derived from blues, jazz, etc. Pretty asinine argument if you ask me.

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Author:	Stefan [ Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:48 pm ]
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Adam wrote: And since when did a band have to be influenced only by prog bands to be considered prog? That's another doozy of a statement. If that's true, then there has never been a prog band in existence, or any genre of music for that matter. By your logic, there's never been a rock band since rock was derived from blues, jazz, etc. Pretty asinine argument if you ask me. Did I say that? In my opinion, the finest prog bands are those who have the less prog rock influences. That way they can create their own stuff instead of copying what previous bands did before. For example, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, The Mars Volta or Secret Chiefs 3 are, imo, the best prog bands around now and their influences come from much more than just progressive rock bands.

Author:	Adam [ Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:49 am ]
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Stefan wrote: Adam wrote: And since when did a band have to be influenced only by prog bands to be considered prog? That's another doozy of a statement. If that's true, then there has never been a prog band in existence, or any genre of music for that matter. By your logic, there's never been a rock band since rock was derived from blues, jazz, etc. Pretty asinine argument if you ask me. Did I say that? In my opinion, the finest prog bands are those who have the less prog rock influences. That way they can create their own stuff instead of copying what previous bands did before. For example, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, The Mars Volta or Secret Chiefs 3 are, imo, the best prog bands around now and their influences come from much more than just progressive rock bands. I definitely agree with you there, perhaps I just misinterpreted this statement: Stefan wrote: I disagree... What is prog about King's X? They are influenced by bands or artists like Black Sabbath, the Beatles, the Beach Boys, Jimi Hendrix... None of those are prog whatsoever... If you think King's X are prog then you surely haven't understood anything to what prog is. I read that statement as you saying King's X are not prog because they are influenced by non-prog bands. If that's not what you meant, then I misunderstood your post.

Author:	Stefan [ Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:41 am ]
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Adam wrote: Stefan wrote: Adam wrote: And since when did a band have to be influenced only by prog bands to be considered prog? That's another doozy of a statement. If that's true, then there has never been a prog band in existence, or any genre of music for that matter. By your logic, there's never been a rock band since rock was derived from blues, jazz, etc. Pretty asinine argument if you ask me. Did I say that? In my opinion, the finest prog bands are those who have the less prog rock influences. That way they can create their own stuff instead of copying what previous bands did before. For example, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, The Mars Volta or Secret Chiefs 3 are, imo, the best prog bands around now and their influences come from much more than just progressive rock bands. I definitely agree with you there, perhaps I just misinterpreted this statement: Stefan wrote: I disagree... What is prog about King's X? They are influenced by bands or artists like Black Sabbath, the Beatles, the Beach Boys, Jimi Hendrix... None of those are prog whatsoever... If you think King's X are prog then you surely haven't understood anything to what prog is. I read that statement as you saying King's X are not prog because they are influenced by non-prog bands. If that's not what you meant, then I misunderstood your post. Yes, you did. I was not to extrapolate on other bands than King's X. True that It could easily be misinterpreted.... My bad.