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Is that your statement ? Nightwish melodies and atmosphere not as absorbing as Lacuna Coil ?
And just one more question.Do YOU compare Nightwish to Lacuna Coil as well ?
I don't want you to think that i'm attacking you in some way.Just to make this clear, it's your opinion anyway.It's just that i'm having a tough time believing that.

Uh huh... Like I said, it's a lazy comparison, and one that's made a lot by people innapropriately. However, that doesn't mean we can't compare them at all, as there are SOME similarities. And when we do compare them, Lacuna Coil come off the better IMO.

Oh ok.That's what i wanted to know.Whether I agree with you or not is not that important.

Alright then.

I'd pay to see that!


You're out of your tits!! I think Tarja does it better than anyone else! Maybe I view them differently because I first heard them when I picked up their CDs (Angels Fall First and Oceanborn) in Korea in 1999, a good while before the "chick metal" thing hit the mainstream thanks to Evanescence. The operatic vocals are what sealed the deal for me! At the time, not one female fronted metal band out there had a singer like Tarja, it was something new and extremely impressive.

Now, of course, you've got Within Temptation going that route, Operatika coming off as a second rate Nightwish and even completely stealing the riff from "She Is My Sin," there's Imperia, a bunch of other "ia," "ica," and "tica" bands. It's almost pathetic. But they'll all flop like a wet titty because Nightwish do it with integrity! They're genuine! And they simply kick ass!



She really only sang in that extreme operatic tone on Oceanborn and Angels Fall First. She settled down on Wishmaster and its follow-ups. Brilliant band! I fucking love them!!

Novelty? Do you have any concept of what that implies?? A Patridge Family reunion tour is a novelty act! Nightwish did it long before anyone else, and they've done it BETTER since day one, no matter how many copycat bands have tried to capitalize on that style, or what bands labels have dug up! Nightwish run this shit.

Your definition of "novelty" is incorrect! What you described is called ORIGINALITY!!! Something sadly missing in most bands!

I for one wish Tarja goes back to singing hardcore opera vocals.

Dude, you first says it's an inappropriate comparison, which is true, but then you go and fucking compare them!! Because there are SOME similarities?? Where? A female singer, a male singer, some guitars and drums?? I mean, come on! You CANNOT compare them because they are NOT similar!! Lacuna Coil play a completely different style of music!!

You're right, it's a lazy comparison! SO DON'T FUCKING COMPARE THEM to win an argument.

Okay, so I picked up Once sometime last year and wasn't too thrilled with it. That goes without saying though, since Power Metal wasn't really my thing. However, a year has gone by and my tastes matured, but I still put off listening to it again because I didn't think much of it at all until one day I just said "Aw, hell, let's just listen to it." I listened to it and I liked it much better than I did before, but I'll still have to listen to it a few more times just to make sure. Also, I'll investigate more into this Nightwish thing just to make sure that I really do like it.


Now, Tarja seems like one of those girls who looks wonderful at one angle but not too thrilling at another. :?

When she looks good, she looks good, but when she doesn't...

She is pretty hot, but she's got this unnatural look about her. Some people would call it "exotic." She's just got a look that's not your normal expectation, I guess.

She looks ok, kind of weird, nothing too special, but who cares.

:roll: :roll: :roll: Yes I think you'll find I do know what novelty implies, and I'll think you'll also find thats exactly why I used the word. Yes Nightwish did it long before anyone else, and for this reason they had novelty value when they were the only ones doing it. If you read more carefully, you'd realise that I also stated that this was not necessarily an insult.

Well I'm glad you think I won the argument . And there are similarities between the two.

Firstly, the fact that they are a metal band with a female singer makes a comparison valid. Of course this seems vastly too general, but consider that there's a VERY popular thread in Helheim asking people what the best band ever WITH A FEMALE SINGER is. Not the best BM band with a female singer, not the best DM band with a female singer. The best band with a female singer. Does this not imply that in the metal world, bands with female singers instantly warrant a closer comparison, rightly or wrongly? They certainly are more comparable than any two bands with a male singer.

Secondly, it's reasonable to compare them because they both exist within a very similar context commercially. We compare them based on context, rather than sound, which is fair enough and is common practise for other bands. By context I of course mean that both bands are now beginning to get MTV rotation around the same time, after spending years further "underground". Both are beginning to be regarded as major spearheads of European metal, which is itself becoming more and more mainstream. In fact, these two bands are possibly the two main reasons why European bands are getting more attention.

Given these arguments, I fail to see why you have such problems with comparing them. A lazy comparison is a lazy one because it's obvious.

Well said. I'm with Rio on this one.


It is Chuck.

Nicely said rio.You've definitely won the arguement.
Good thing you kept the "Lacuna Coil is better than Nightwish" out of your statement.

I noticed that as well... Chuck Schuldiner was a freakin genius, one of the most important people in the history of metal.
Everything that he wrote was gold... I can't think of anything that has his signature on it that is even a little weak.
Add the fact that Death (Chuck=Death, Death=Chuck) actually progessed album after album, though my personal favorite remains SBG and Leprosy.
May 13, 1967 - December 13, 2001.
V.

That depends on which argument you are talking about.

While I may admit that Nightwish had some novelty value in the beginning, to say (as Rio did) they "rely chiefly on novelty value," well I'm sorry but I'm still calling that bullshit.

My problem with rio wasn't that much about the novelty value.It's because of the things he said below.We cleared that out, though.



From that other people brought up the question about comparing the two bands.And here he gives a perfect explanation of what he meant by comparing them.He didn't said anything like "their sound is identical that's why i'm comparing them", which would have been wrong.It just took him more posts to finally explain what he meant by comparing Nightwish and Lacuna Coil.

Well yes I more or less agree with what he's saying there. I hate the fact that all the female fronted bands get lumped together, but that's just the way it is.

I think Tarja sucks and sings overprenounced but with the wrong prenouncation. I think After Forever is 10 times better (on decipher however).