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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:00 am 
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Aye.

Having heard Fragile, I'd say I was moderately impressed; yet I do not believe Karmacode was, or rather is, an exception in Lacuna Coil's discography.


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Aye.

Having heard Fragile, I'd say I was moderately impressed; yet I do not believe Karmacode was, or rather is, an exception in Lacuna Coil's discography.

It's not their best, but it's better than In A Reverie and Unleashed Memories, which I think are their two worst.


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I don't see how anyone could have expected anything other than Comalies part 2. They're a pretty mainstream band, being honest, and their doomy days are pretty much over...


This album is nothing like Comalies.
Comalies is waaaaaaaaay better. I miss songs like Angel's
Punishment and Tight Rope. And the male singing going clean is
one of the worst choices they ever made. They removed the rough edge it gave them by doing so. It also seems we hear more of andreas instead of Cristina..... and thats not a good sign either.
Not a bad album but not that great either.

So far I give it a 70%


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antichrist paradox wrote:
Aye.

Having heard Fragile, I'd say I was moderately impressed; yet I do not believe Karmacode was, or rather is, an exception in Lacuna Coil's discography.

It's not their best, but it's better than In A Reverie and Unleashed Memories, which I think are their two worst.


I couldn't more strongly disagree.
Karamacode doesn't even come close to anything in their back catalogue. There are no exceptional songs nothing that sticks out.

Unleashed had When a Dead Man Walks, Purify, Comalies had Angels's Puniushment, Heavens a lie, Tight rope and In a Reverie had Veins of Glass and my Wings just to name a few.

Karmacode has nada. it's well executed but plain in comparaison. Stale describes it pretty much. Cristina singing less + Andrea not using his growl(or whatever you want to call it) like he did on the two previous releases + guitar riffs too simple for their own good + guitar riffs that seemed to be recycled throughout the album results in a less interesting album.

definately dissapointing especially since I was hoping the'd go for the heavier evolution they showed on comalies with songs like Angel's Punishement, Tight rope and Heaven's a lie. This is their worst effort IMO.


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OK, just listening through the bits that have downloaded already I can hear some more modern metal sounds here and there just like in "Our Truth," but overall it sounds like it's going to the same style as "Our Truth," 98% old school Lacuna Coil, 2% evolution.

One thing I did notice is the middle eastern influence on numerous songs! What's up with that? Sounds cool, though.


Dude you are high. As one of the biggest LC fans ever I can tell you this is absolute, unadultreated garbage. It IS a total Nu Metal rip off in the riffs and the whole problem is, is that style was old 6 years ago or shit after the 2nd Korn album. This sounds nothing like Coma Lies and makes a mockery out of a once great band and their first 3 great albums. This is worse then what In Flames, Soilwork, Lacrima Profundre did combined together and x1000. Garbage totally. I would give it a 1.5/10 because the Depeche Mode cover is ok.

It is not 98% old school Lacuna Coil, it is 100 percent garbage. I have all their albums and have had them all since they came out originally, even the EP and I know they don't sound near what they used too. Even her voice is f*cked on this album and the dude is horrendous. Garbage.


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grandbazaar wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
antichrist paradox wrote:
Aye.

Having heard Fragile, I'd say I was moderately impressed; yet I do not believe Karmacode was, or rather is, an exception in Lacuna Coil's discography.

It's not their best, but it's better than In A Reverie and Unleashed Memories, which I think are their two worst.


I couldn't more strongly disagree.
Karamacode doesn't even come close to anything in their back catalogue. There are no exceptional songs nothing that sticks out.

Unleashed had When a Dead Man Walks, Purify, Comalies had Angels's Puniushment, Heavens a lie, Tight rope and In a Reverie had Veins of Glass and my Wings just to name a few.

Karmacode has nada. it's well executed but plain in comparaison. Stale describes it pretty much. Cristina singing less + Andrea not using his growl(or whatever you want to call it) like he did on the two previous releases + guitar riffs too simple for their own good + guitar riffs that seemed to be recycled throughout the album results in a less interesting album.

definately dissapointing especially since I was hoping the'd go for the heavier evolution they showed on comalies with songs like Angel's Punishement, Tight rope and Heaven's a lie. This is their worst effort IMO.


Thank you bro, reading this I was beginning to think I was insane until I actually listined to the ep again. People need to stop making excuse for bands when they write a crap, shit fest album and no longer have it anymore.

I can't put it anymore strongly then to say as a HUGE Lacuna Coil fan this is an absolute disgrace to their back catalogue and the music they used to make.


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Disagree, do I. The more I hear the new way she uses her voice, the more I like it...


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Eyesore wrote:
OK, just listening through the bits that have downloaded already I can hear some more modern metal sounds here and there just like in "Our Truth," but overall it sounds like it's going to the same style as "Our Truth," 98% old school Lacuna Coil, 2% evolution.

One thing I did notice is the middle eastern influence on numerous songs! What's up with that? Sounds cool, though.

Dude you are high. As one of the biggest LC fans ever I can tell you this is absolute, unadultreated garbage. It IS a total Nu Metal rip off in the riffs and the whole problem is, is that style was old 6 years ago or shit after the 2nd Korn album. This sounds nothing like Coma Lies and makes a mockery out of a once great band and their first 3 great albums. This is worse then what In Flames, Soilwork, Lacrima Profundre did combined together and x1000. Garbage totally. I would give it a 1.5/10 because the Depeche Mode cover is ok.

It is not 98% old school Lacuna Coil, it is 100 percent garbage. I have all their albums and have had them all since they came out originally, even the EP and I know they don't sound near what they used too. Even her voice is f*cked on this album and the dude is horrendous. Garbage.

Hahahahaha! The reactions about this album are so typical and predictable. I said it like a year ago, no matter what this album sounds like it will be called nu-metal and people will say it sucks. What is garbage is the ridiculous responses to an album like what you just wrote. To insist that even that vocals are fucked is beyond ridiculous. The band has added a new dimension to their music, but it still sounds like Lacuna Coil. If you can't see or hear that then you've got tunnel vision.

I'm not going to say that there aren't some new elements here, more modern in scope, but to pretty much claim they're nothing like they were is flat out retarded. It reeks of the mainstream popularity of the band ruining the "This is MY band!" mentality. People hate to share their music with people they don't related to.


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It's not their best, but it's better than In A Reverie and Unleashed Memories, which I think are their two worst.


That's why I've said all along you miss the point of their music.


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It's not their best, but it's better than In A Reverie and Unleashed Memories, which I think are their two worst.

That's why I've said all along you miss the point of their music.

What? I didn't say they were bad albums, just their two worst. I think In A Reverie is their worst. This is how I would rank their albums:

1. Lacuna Coil EP
2. Comalies
3. Senzafine EP
4. Karmacode
5. Unleashed Memories
6. In A Reverie

I just think on In A Reverie and Unleashed Memories they didn't write great songs overall, some are great, but others are just OK.


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People aren't always going to appreciate a band's shift in style and they have a right to say it sucks balls. If the next Reverend Bizarre release features viking influence/banjoes/Devin Townsend then I'll say it sucks balls.

Come on dude, just because a band changes doesn't mean they're evolving.


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Actually you assume a lot to think i would just automatically hate one of my favortie bands because they toured on Ozzfest. Maybe for you it is ok because you like a modern nu metal sound or love Korn or something. To me, it just isn't Lacuna Coil and doesn't sound at all like them except for brief snatches during the Chorus. There is no cohesion to the song writing and it just sounds like they couldn't find their groove and just threw something together to get on to the market. The mere fact you don't think UM and In a reviere or that good doesn't make me to suprised to find you like this album. Anyways, it is not Lacuna Coil and it doesn't sound like their music, not even an a evolutinary manner, it is just a piss poor effort of an album. The male vocals are horrid as well. It is a piece of shit album that I recommend nobody spend money on and other long time fans of the band since their beginning share my opinion of this album. I went back and played the EP and UM just to make sure I wasn't jaded or something and nope, Karma code is crap.

This album totally reminds me of On Thorns I lay, how great Future Narcotic is and how horrible of a nu (modern) goth piece of crap their latest album is.

Scabbia voice is totally fucked on this album, if you can't hear that you are deaf, especially that deeper, tougher voice she goes for on track 2. I actually think the Evanacense album is much better then Karma Code and that Silent Force from Within Temptation is 1000x better so don't give me that crap about how I dismiss a band as soon as they get popular or shove some mainstream elements into their music. I like R2R and FNF from Soilwork too. A bad fucking album is just a bad album plain and simple. This is a BAD album and it has zero to do with their popularity or mainstream acceptance (At least for me). Hell I wish every band I dug could make a ton of money for what they do,


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People aren't always going to appreciate a band's shift in style and they have a right to say it sucks balls. If the next Reverend Bizarre release features viking influence/banjoes/Devin Townsend then I'll say it sucks balls.

Come on dude, just because a band changes doesn't mean they're evolving.

I'm not saying he hasn't the right to not like it. I'm saying his reaction is predictable. Yes, the band has evolved. They haven't become a new band, they've added a few new elements. There are like 5 songs or more with a Middle Eastern influence, I don't see people discussing that! No, they only discuss the "modern riffs," which of course get labelled as nu-metal. They hear a bass line in one song that does sound like Korn so they immediately say the rest of the songs sound like Korn. It's the Evanescence thing all over again, they were Linkin Park with a female singer because one song had a dude that sounded like Mike Shinoda from Linkin Park. Does Evanescence sound like Linkin Park? Hell no! But people said they did.

There is a difference between not liking something and making things up to justify that dislike.


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People aren't always going to appreciate a band's shift in style and they have a right to say it sucks balls. If the next Reverend Bizarre release features viking influence/banjoes/Devin Townsend then I'll say it sucks balls.

Come on dude, just because a band changes doesn't mean they're evolving.


But it's important to note that if a band becomes more popular by changing their style to something you like less, then that makes you a close-minded elitist.


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It's not their best, but it's better than In A Reverie and Unleashed Memories, which I think are their two worst.

That's why I've said all along you miss the point of their music.

What? I didn't say they were bad albums, just their two worst. I think In A Reverie is their worst. This is how I would rank their albums:

1. Lacuna Coil EP
2. Comalies
3. Senzafine EP
4. Karmacode
5. Unleashed Memories
6. In A Reverie

I just think on In A Reverie and Unleashed Memories they didn't write great songs overall, some are great, but others are just OK.


Because they used to be a band that focused more on melody. At best they could be described as Melodic Hard Rock. Fine, nothing wrong with that. Now they are trying to fit into the Metal crowd, which doesn't suit them at all. And don't tell me they aren't trying to market themselves as Metal.


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you wasted your money josh. I listened to karmacode in the car and it sux0rz.


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you wasted your money josh. I listened to karmacode in the car and it sux0rz.

Shocking! Hahaha. :roll:


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you wasted your money josh. I listened to karmacode in the car and it sux0rz.


No it doesn't. It's a pretty good album. Not great, but enjoyable. Oh yeah and i've listened to it 7-8 times. You've listened to like half of it.


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you wasted your money josh. I listened to karmacode in the car and it sux0rz.


No it doesn't. It's a pretty good album. Not great, but enjoyable. Oh yeah and i've listened to it 7-8 times. You've listened to like half of it.


They are going to be at Zia on 40th and Thunderbird this weekend (I saw you were in Mesa). You can go tell them how awesome the incorparted Korn influences into their songs. I would love to go get my old albums signed but think I am too old to be a groupie or get assaulted by mall rats....lol


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