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Author:  DevotedWalnut [ Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:52 am ]
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Ok this is bothering my for a while now, I need to know. Some people say Death others say Possessed, possibly Kreator? And one guy I know says it was Napalm Death. So who started it all?
Author:  ganeshaRules [ Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:17 am ]
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I always have heard that Death (the style) was original from Florida, being Death (the band), in their early reencarnations of Mantus and Massacre. But Possesed's Seven Churches was the first published death record, in 1985.

Kreator can't be the first death band cause they're (and always been) a thrash band.

But that's what I've heard. I'm sure there's here a lot of people that knows a lot more about death's history.
Author:  Rhys [ Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:44 am ]
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Napalm Death are a band most widely credited for their role in the evolution of grindcore as its own distinct genre.
Author:  Goat [ Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:46 am ]
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following the reaper wrote:
Napalm Death invented grindcore


They were hardcore punk when they started, the DM came in in the early 90s.
Author:  otakon [ Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:54 am ]
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lol

goregrind is false death metal :lol:
Author:  Jürgen [ Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:17 am ]
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Hellhammer was the first band to refer to their music as death metal.
Possessed and Onslaught both had songs called Death Metal. I don't know which was written first though.

There's no definite answer to this, since death metal sorta just happened gradually, and a lot of the early stuff was kinda between genres. (genres that hadn't really even been defined yet!) Is Seven Churches black or death? Is Pleasure to Kill thrash or death? Is Apocalyptic Raids thrash, death, black, doom or all of the above?
Author:  Jürgen [ Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:18 am ]
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following the reaper wrote:
Napalm Death invented grindcore


Napalm Death was the first band to use the term grindcore, but Siege, for example, had been playing a similar style before them.
Author:  Radical Cut [ Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:25 am ]
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Zad wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
Napalm Death invented grindcore


They were hardcore punk when they started, the DM came in in the early 90s.

Yeah, the early demo(s?) (dating back to 85 at least) were certainly nothing like what they did on with Scum, and were even farther away from the death metal stuff they brought in later.

As for Death Metal, Death and Possessed, Morbid Angel, lots of the florida death metal guys were around at the same time in the early-mid 80s milling and metaling about. There's a lot of hearsay about "well this guy influenced this guy", and I think Death has the earliest demos, but Possessed released the first record that could be considered the true birth of what we know as death metal. Now people like to refer to it as thrash, because it doesn't sound just like modern death metal or whatever, but it rules no matter what you call it. Death and the rest of the florida death crew didn't get around to releasing their albums until later.
Author:  Radagast [ Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:05 pm ]
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Its not like anyone sat down and said "ok i'm going to invent a new genre here." A bunch of bands on the same scene essentially trying to outheavy each other eventually started putting out stuff in a similar style.
Author:  Rhys [ Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:17 pm ]
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Jürgen wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
Napalm Death invented grindcore


Napalm Death was the first band to use the term grindcore, but Siege, for example, had been playing a similar style before them.


Well, the term is now a definition of a genre, so they did create it.
Author:  Azrael [ Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:38 pm ]
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hm, i think some bands, wanting to play heavier thrash metal, ended up playing... PROTO-DEATH METAL!!

you know, like early Sepultura and stuff.
Author:  rio [ Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:55 pm ]
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Radagast wrote:
Its not like anyone sat down and said "ok i'm going to invent a new genre here." A bunch of bands on the same scene essentially trying to outheavy each other eventually started putting out stuff in a similar style.


Agreed... With something that became a worldwide musical movement so quickly it's very implausible to say it must have stemmed from one individual band.

If it had only been one thing, rather than several bands in different places hitting upon a similar idea at a similar time, then the chances are it wouldn't have become so widespread, and we would be looking back on it as a curiosity. Rather than having it here and now as one of metal's most standard and stable genres.
Author:  Rhys [ Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:58 pm ]
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Post^edited. Better bitches? :wink:
Author:  Metalhead_Bastard [ Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:24 pm ]
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Necrovore.
Author:  DevotedWalnut [ Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:09 am ]
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ganeshaRules wrote:
I always have heard that Death (the style) was original from Florida, being Death (the band), in their early reencarnations of Mantus and Massacre. But Possesed's Seven Churches was the first published death record, in 1985.

Kreator can't be the first death band cause they're (and always been) a thrash band.
But that's what I've heard. I'm sure there's here a lot of people that knows a lot more about death's history.


I know Kreator is thrash, I only own every cd! But on Endless Pain there is some of what some people could consider early/old school death metal, especially in the vocal department.
Author:  Open Mind [ Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:54 am ]
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The liner notes to Seven Churches summarize this discussion pretty well:

Jeff Wagner, Metal Maniacs wrote:
[...] With that album, a new standard of extreme heavy metal was set; there was no other music so over the top, no band so overlty satanic, no sound so fighteningly raw, no human voice so ununtterably horrid. Possesed arrived in 1984, early enough in metal's evolution to claim the co-invention of a style more extreme than ever before, though in other corners of the world bands like Hellhammer, Bathory, Kreator, Destruction, Death, Sodom, and Slayer could be heard creating their own brand of sonic misanthropia. Some dubbed it "death metal". Some preferred the Venom-coined "black metal" tag. Whatever it was, it was hateful and horrifying, totally sick and opressively dark. [...]
Author:  noodles [ Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:23 am ]
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He finally got sick of it all. He just gave up. Gave up on acceptic fate, on taking the next day. A choke and a final breath and it was over. I was left futilely fumbling through the ruins for some remains to cling to. It's God's will, let the flood swell.
Author:  hellraiser_xes [ Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:11 pm ]
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noodles wrote:
He finally got sick of it all. He just gave up. Gave up on acceptic fate, on taking the next day. A choke and a final breath and it was over. I was left futilely fumbling through the ruins for some remains to cling to. It's God's will, let the flood swell.


What on earth was that all about?
Author:  OldSchool [ Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:41 pm ]
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Marijuana probably.
Author:  Azrael [ Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:53 pm ]
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it was quite emossexual.
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