I beg to differ. That might be a definition taken from somehere, but it isn't accurate. Which 90's bm band other than Darkthrone has hardcore punk influences? Mayhem? Immortal? No way. Not even close. And norsecore bands like Gorgoroth, Marduk and Dark Funeral are especially nothing like that. Either we're talking about different hardcore punks, or that definiton is wrong.

However it is right to call it "black grind", but I don't think that any of the bands were actually influenced by grindcore, it's just that they are trying to take music to the extreme, playing really fast and emotionless, and that extreme happens to be grindcore.

Grindcore on the other hand is influnced by harcore punk, but that's what I call splitting hairs. It isn't directly related to norsecore.

All In my humble opinion.

Correct me if I'm wrong. I think I passed out for 2 seconds while writing this.

It's called norseCore for a reason here, it's does not have enough traditional metal influences to be metal. Norsecore is not a serious term, it's just made to call shit on the Norwegian sound anything but metal. It doesnt have to be influenced by hardcore punk, then again Darkthrone listens to punk, whose Transilvanian Hunger is the blueprint of all norsecore. You are not about to call that 'emotionless' are you?

Norsecore is Transilvanian Hunger, Black Metal is Welcome To Hell. The end.

This thread is LOL, and Jurgen wins. and Darkthrone rules

I beg to differ. That might be a definition taken from somehere, but it isn't accurate. Which 90's bm band other than Darkthrone has hardcore punk influences?

However it is right to call it "black grind", but I don't think that any of the bands were actually influenced by grindcore, it's just that they are trying to take music to the extreme, playing really fast and emotionless, and that extreme happens to be grindcore.

Darkthrone's hardcore punk influenced album is A Blaze in the Northern Sky, they dropped that in TH. Transilvanian Hunger is their minimalist album

Darkthrone rules.

Pretty much everyone. The primitive style of the guitar riffs and drumming is taken from hardcore punk. Blastbeats were a punk thing before some BM and DM bands started incorporating grind influences into their music.

Let me put it this way: do the guitar riffs on, say, Ildjarn albums remind you more of Judas Priest or Discharge?



A lot of the old Norse bands were influenced by hardcore punk and crossover/proto-thrash stuff very directly. There are old photos of the Mayhem dudes in Cryptic Slaughter shirts, Faust was a big fan of Napalm Death and so on.



I agree that there aren't really any punk rock influences on Transilvanian Hunger, but a lot of the more extreme crust/grind bands had the same kind of primitive buzzsaw riffing (Darkthrone incorporated their own special nordic melodicism into it, but constant trem picking was in no way their invention) and repetitive drumbeats just like TH, years before TH.

Punk is as multi-faceted as metal and metal has borrowed from punk from the early days. Motörhead is an obvious example, and so are Venom. Iron Maiden were dissed as punk rockers by a lot of traditionalists in their early days, because they played extremely fast for their time, and Paul DiAnno wore spikes and stuff.

The heaviness of Black Sabbath + the speed of punk = the foundation of thrash, black and death metal.



I think we can all agree on that!