I've been listening to maiden, power metal and stuff like that but got into IN FLAMES by accident!!!? It's the type of metal I thought I'd never listen to and I still don't know how I gave them a chance but...here I am. I know they are as "soft" as this genre can be but as you can se that's as much as I can cope with right now... so I'd be really gratefull if anyone could tell me names of bands that are really melodic with that something extra! I know that DARK TRANQUILITY is supposed to be simmilar but those vocals are to much for me, don't judge me I'm not dissing but that's sick! So I think you get the idea. THANX!

If you're going to listen to pseudo metal shit like that, you can fuck right off. It's no indication whatsoever of what metal is about and shouldn't be given a second listen.

Grow yourself some balls and start with the classics of the genre, then if you still think N*FlAyMeZ is worth listening to, you can just give up on the genre completely.

Asshole. :roll:

Listen to Carnifex, she knows her stuff.

Asshole? He wants guidance in the metal genre, and the last thing he needs to see when just starting out is a big list full of pseudo metal crap that doesn't represent the genre at all.

Oh, for crying out loud. You want to sit there and tell me that all the bands I mentioned aren't metal? Ensiferum aren't metal? Moonsorrow aren't metal? Not only is that one of the most ludicrous things I've ever heard, it's also one of the most useless. So this guy (or girl, Mikki is generally a girl's name, at least in America) doesn't like harsh vocals. That's perfectly fine. I used to hate growls too; it was through bands like Arch Enemy that I got used to (and eventually grew to love) them. In Flames didn't always suck; Subterranean, Lunar Strain, The Jester Race and Whoracle are all awesome albums, and even Clayman has its moments. Saying that you have to start off with the most br00thul death metal is foolish and, quite frankly, naive.

As a final note, mikki might also enjoy Children of Bodom or Imperanon.

Not necessarly not metal, just a bad representation of the genre. If they don't enjoy screams, they should still start out with some of the classics without screams. They like Iron Maiden, so that's a good start, but moving to In Flames from there is not.

They should first try the classics of the genre and progress into whatever appeals to them, not jump right into the easy listening stuff that came later missing out on all of the classics, history, and a whole slew of good bands.

I'm not saying start with "the most br00thal" death metal, becuase I think most brutal death metal is queer anyway. I'm saying start with metal that represents what metal is about and the classics of the genre.

And for the record, I think In Flames has always been crap.

"Classics" of the genre? What genre do you think we're talking about here? They mentioned In Flames and Dark Tranquillity; those are both melodic death. "Classics" include At The Gates and "Heartwork" by Carcass. After that, you've got old Arch Enemy, old In Flames, old Soilwork, etc.

Furthermore, why shouldn't they start listening to what appeals to them, and move on from there? Are you saying there's a right and wrong way to listen to metal? Please, enlighten us puny mortals as to the correct way to listen to metal.

There's no proper way to listen to metal, only a better way of going about getting into the genre.

You know, I had a whole huge response to all the incredibly stupid points you made, but I really think this sums it up:

So what you're saying is that there's no proper way of listening to metal, you just have to discover it in a certain way for your experience to be valid.

Clearly you have your head shoved so far up your ass, you not only missed the point of the original post (recommending Obituary and Dismember to someone who thinks Mikael Stanne's vocals are too harsh is incredibly stupid) but you also managed to make a fool of yourself in the process. Congratulations.

When you start with all this easy listening stuff, you get this false idea that it's what metal is about and are missing out on the entire point.

Clearly, I am an idiot, because I have no idea what you're talking about. Personally, I was entirely unaware that metal has a universal point that everyone must understand, and which can only be understood by listening to releases in a certain order.

If I had started in the beginning I could have done this in half the time.

As it's clearly a race.

I'm going to start repeating myself soon, so I'll leave the topic at this:

Mikki, if you want bands that are like In Flames, you have my suggestions. If you want an Introduction To The Grand World Of Metal, you have Aeothe's. Just keep in mind that there are a few things on that list you will fucking loathe, at least right now. Lord knows I would have hated Dismember if I'd heard them four years ago.

That is all.

What are you, gay?

What are you, gay?

Asshole? He wants guidance in the metal genre, and the last thing he needs to see when just starting out is a big list full of pseudo metal crap that doesn't represent the genre at all.

Where are you getting that it has to be done in a certain order? I'm merely suggesting an order that makes more sense to me and an order I wish I started in.

If they never want to get further into the genre than In Flames, etc, then fine, they can think whatever they want of the genre, but I'm saying that In Flames, etc, aren't representative of the rest of the genre and they'll get a false idea of what metal sounds like. When I say what it's about, I mean how it sounds and what feeling it conveys, etc, etc, etc.

For example, I started with In Flames, Opeth, Dark Tranquillity, Arch Enemy, etc. I thought that this is what Death Metal was and thought that most metal was like this. When you're starting you have no idea. This was a false idea of what it was about, and when I decided I wanted to get into more stuff it took a lot of backtracking and research.

Rather than starting in the beginning and moving forward, I started in a random spot, and jumped around randomly until I'd finally heard enough and wasted enough of my time on worthless bands that I knew what I liked. If I had started in the beginning I could have done this in half the time.