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| Author: | Skiggath [ Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:28 am ] |
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Ok, I have reviewed Ukrainian BM before and I have gotten the good word on passing it. Given that Ukrainian NS is all about national pride and has no roots in Nazism or Hitler, are bands like Dub Buk, Nokturnal Mortum, and others ok to review. Kroda, Hate Forest, and others have been reviewed before. So in this vein, where Slava NS is not about Nazism and such, they should be allowed to be reviewed. You guys are missing out on a lot of quality material by handicapping us from divulging in the scene. |
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| Author: | huskerc7 [ Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:44 am ] |
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Nokturnal Mortum is awesome. |
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| Author: | North From Here [ Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:52 am ] |
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Nokturnal Mortum is not reviewable, according to Zad, and my educated guess is Dub Buk wouldn't be as well. I completely understand, and am thankful that Kroda and Hate Forest have been reviewed. |
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| Author: | Skiggath [ Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:40 am ] |
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I have been here since, well I think about half a year, and I don't want to ruffle anyones feathers and try to change the culture around here, but some of those Slavic NSBM bands are fucking incredible. |
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| Author: | GeneralDiomedes [ Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:52 am ] |
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It's easy to see why Nocturnal Mortum would be off limits. Some of their lyrics are despicable. However, I hope all bands are taken on a case by case basis. |
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| Author: | Karmakosmonaut [ Sun Jan 02, 2011 2:58 pm ] |
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I'd say it would be hypocrisy if communist and anarchist metal can be reviewed and NSBM not. |
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| Author: | North From Here [ Sun Jan 02, 2011 6:07 pm ] |
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Karmakosmonaut wrote: I'd say it would be hypocrisy if communist and anarchist metal can be reviewed and NSBM not.
Equivalent lyrics from the left to what Nokturnal Mortum writes would have me agreeing 100% |
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| Author: | Kathaarian [ Sun Jan 02, 2011 8:06 pm ] |
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Maybe it's just me but I have not seen a communist or anarchist say a certain group of people should be murdered. |
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| Author: | Goat [ Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:20 pm ] |
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Apart from the rich? 
I want a concept album from Ukrainian black metal anarchists about the black army. If you can praise the Ukrainian Insurgent Army for fighting the communists and cooperating with the SS, why no praise for the Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Ukraine, who fought everyone? |
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| Author: | traptunderice [ Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:13 am ] |
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emperorblackdoom wrote: Karmakosmonaut wrote: I'd say it would be hypocrisy if communist and anarchist metal can be reviewed and NSBM not. Equivalent lyrics from the left to what Nokturnal Mortum writes would have me agreeing 100% 
The worse a leftist band advocates is revolution which is nothing but war at the worst so on that note we'd have to scratch Bolt Thrower and a shit ton of other bands. Genocide =/= war or revolution. |
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| Author: | cry of the banshee [ Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:00 am ] |
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traptunderice wrote: emperorblackdoom wrote: Karmakosmonaut wrote: I'd say it would be hypocrisy if communist and anarchist metal can be reviewed and NSBM not. Equivalent lyrics from the left to what Nokturnal Mortum writes would have me agreeing 100% The worse a leftist band advocates is revolution which is nothing but war at the worst so on that note we'd have to scratch Bolt Thrower and a shit ton of other bands. Genocide =/= war or revolution. Hmm, yes, but war often (very often, in fact) is a precursor to genocide. War tends to bring out the worst in man. Incidentally, the genocide instigated by the Nazis pales in comparison (in sheer magnitude and scope, that is) to the genocides instigated by commumism. Quote: The killing of a large numbers of non-combatants has occurred in certain states, including some that have declared adherence to some form of Communist doctrine. The highest death tolls that have been documented in communist states occurred in the Soviet Union under Stalin, in the People's Republic of China under Mao, and in Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge. Estimates of the number of deaths vary widely: Benjamin Valentino, Associate Professor of Government at Dartmouth College, cites estimates in these three countries ranging from 21 million to 70 million.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_genocide Not to mention the various examples throughout history and even happning currently. The point being of course, that genocide is not an exclusive phenomena to NS. This converstaion is pointless and has a history of futilty, though, so it's probably best to just leave it be. |
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| Author: | Karmakosmonaut [ Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:26 am ] |
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CotB, I've tried explaining that. But maybe the bright thing of communist genocides is that anyone could be killed instead of just a single ethnic group. Now there's progress
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| Author: | The Evil Dead [ Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:02 pm ] |
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It's not like you can ever understand a word a black metal vocalist is shrieking about anyway, review the stuff. We listen to crap that already has pretty out there lyrics. |
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| Author: | dead1 [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:33 am ] |
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Why is it necessary to state that they're Nationalist Socialist BM? By the way Nazi means National Socialist. Since when does political motivation mean a style. Call it Black Metal from the Ukraine and be done with it. |
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| Author: | Goat [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:35 am ] |
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dead1 wrote: Why is it necessary to state that they're Nationalist Socialist BM?
By the way Nazi means National Socialist. Since when does political motivation mean a style. Call it Black Metal from the Ukraine and be done with it. He's actually asking about Ukrainian NSBM specifically. |
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| Author: | dead1 [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:43 am ] |
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Goat wrote: dead1 wrote: Why is it necessary to state that they're Nationalist Socialist BM? By the way Nazi means National Socialist. Since when does political motivation mean a style. Call it Black Metal from the Ukraine and be done with it. He's actually asking about Ukrainian NSBM specifically. What has the NS got to do with music? Do Nazi Black Metal bands sound different from Centre-right Black Metal Bands or from Communist Black Metal bands or from Vegan Tree Hugger Black Metal bands? I think it's just showing off one's political ideology to shock people. I'm a borderline right wing nationalist by the way so I am not offended by this (hell my grandfather was an officer in the Croatian Ustasa back in WWII while the other one was a Communist Party member and career soldier in the Jugoslav People's Army). I just don't see the point of making music political for shock value. |
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| Author: | stevelovesmoonspell [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:32 am ] |
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I could care less what a bands politics are, as long as their music is intense and or dark they could be Martian nationalists. As for Nokturnal Mortum, I don't believe Hitler and his gang of rejects would consider the Eastern bloc worthy of being pure "Aryan". |
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| Author: | traptunderice [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:42 am ] |
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Karmakosmonaut wrote: CotB, I've tried explaining that. But maybe the bright thing of communist genocides is that anyone could be killed instead of just a single ethnic group. Now there's progress hmmm. communism =/= U.S.S.R. I've tried explaining that. Call it fucking worker's rights black metal for all I give a fuck. It's a lot better than my race is superior to your race and hence you don't deserve to live metal.
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| Author: | dead1 [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:25 am ] |
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stevelovesmoonspell wrote: I could care less what a bands politics are, as long as their music is intense and or dark they could be Martian nationalists. Totally agree! stevelovesmoonspell wrote: As for Nokturnal Mortum, I don't believe Hitler and his gang of rejects would consider the Eastern bloc worthy of being pure "Aryan". Slavic Nazis are a bit of a stupid concept. Hitler and co considered Eastern Europe to be Lebensraum or living space. The local Slavic populations would be turned into slaves or annihilated. What's next: Nazi Jews? |
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| Author: | Karmakosmonaut [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:27 am ] |
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dead1 wrote: What's next: Nazi Jews?
Well, they did learn a few tricks from their erstwhile oppressors...
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