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I would say lyrics are important, though. There are some lyrical subjects that I would say probably do make a band less black metal.

Of course the music defines the genre, but I'm not going to lie and say I hate the whole corpsepaint and spikes or whatever thing. I like atmosphere, in my TV shows, movies, and same goes with my music.

I do think a lot of bands do go overkill on the whole " Omfg inverted crosses we love satan " biz, but you know, whatever.

I'd love the bands equally, but I think for many bands it can sort of add to their music.

And another thing? Is there somthing called Christian Black Metal? Should christian bands be labeled black metal at all?

Should christian bands be labeled black metal at all?

metal_xxx wrote:

Should christian bands be labeled black metal at all?

No. Black Metal doesn't have to satanic, but it sure as Hell cannot Christian.

If Doom can be Christian, I don't see why Black Metal can't be. Obviously it wouldn't be TRUE BM of a Satanic variety.

Goat wrote:

If Doom can be Christian, I don't see why Black Metal can't be. Obviously it wouldn't be TRUE BM of a Satanic variety.

Come on, man... Doom and Black Metal are not the same.

As soon as the lyrics start praising the virtues of Jesus, it ceases to be Black Metal, surely you understand why this is.

Can we have muslim, jewish, buddhist or hinduist BM then?
Does it actually exist?

Lucifer's Son wrote:

Can we have muslim, jewish, buddhist or hinduist BM then?
Does it actually exist?

haha, Those countries in which those religions are the predominate ones probabaly don't even allow Metal, let alone Black Metal.

Lucifer's Son wrote:

Can we have muslim, jewish, buddhist or hinduist BM then?
Does it actually exist?

haha, Those countries in which those religions are the predominate ones probabaly don't even allow Metal, let alone Black Metal.

Author:	Thomas [ Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:47 pm ]
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Discuss.. What is the relation? Are bands less less black metal if they do not use inverted crosses, pentagrams and other satanic/anti-religious symbols? In my opinion, no. The genre should be based on the music not by the symbolism. Others might disagree.

Author:	Lucifer's Son [ Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:50 pm ]
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Agreed. I don't remember, say, Shining using inverted cross, pentagram and all the pseudo-satanist folklore. That doesn't make them any less BM. And that goes for a lot of other bands which don't even have satanist-themed lyrics.

Author:	Thomas [ Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:52 pm ]
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And another thing? Is there somthing called Christian Black Metal? Should christian bands be labeled black metal at all?

Author:	rio [ Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:53 pm ]
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Visual factors are not necessarily important; primarily BM is a musical clasification. You should be able to identify something as black metal by listening to it, and not have to take anything else into account. I would say lyrics are important, though. There are some lyrical subjects that I would say probably do make a band less black metal.

Author:	The Evil Dead [ Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:55 pm ]
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Of course the music defines the genre, but I'm not going to lie and say I hate the whole corpsepaint and spikes or whatever thing. I like atmosphere, in my TV shows, movies, and same goes with my music. I do think a lot of bands do go overkill on the whole " Omfg inverted crosses we love satan " biz, but you know, whatever. I'd love the bands equally, but I think for many bands it can sort of add to their music.

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Author:	rio [ Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:00 pm ]
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The Evil Dead wrote: Of course the music defines the genre, but I'm not going to lie and say I hate the whole corpsepaint and spikes or whatever thing. I like atmosphere, in my TV shows, movies, and same goes with my music. I do think a lot of bands do go overkill on the whole " Omfg inverted crosses we love satan " biz, but you know, whatever. I'd love the bands equally, but I think for many bands it can sort of add to their music. Yeah, with the visuals, when people say "more black metal", for me it just means that the band fits more snugly into the black metal cliche. It doesn't really relate to the music at all, which either is or isn't black metal.

Author:	MetalStorm [ Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:46 pm ]
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What's everyone's opinion on Immortal who don't use the cheesy santanic lyrics in their music but they are labeled black metal all the way through?

Author:	traptunderice [ Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:47 pm ]
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Black metal doesn't have to be satanic but singing about the beauty of the Lord Jesus Christ with muffled production sounds like a bad idea despite Anorexia Nervosa being pretty decent.

Author:	Goat [ Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:18 pm ]
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It has to be long dark teatime of the soul stuff, at least. Cobalt, f'rinstance.

Author:	The Necrodude [ Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:45 pm ]
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metal_xxx wrote: And another thing? Is there somthing called Christian Black Metal? Should christian bands be labeled black metal at all? Yes, there are a few christian black metal bands and the first band that started the whole thing is actually Norwegian! I believe they are called Antestor. Soon bands like Horde, Kekal, Crimson Moonlight, Sorg, Vaakevandring and Drottnar followed. And here's a funny little observation: Stian Aarstad of Dimmu Borgir fame produced Vaakevandring's first EP, i kinda find that hilarious Admonish is another good CBM band that everybody should check out, i found out about them through Pimp My Ride of all things, you may have seen the episode where they are in Sweden and they are pimping a set of black metal twins car, that's a funny ass episode, check it out on youtube or something.

Author:	cry of the banshee [ Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:37 pm ]
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metal_xxx wrote: Should christian bands be labeled black metal at all? No. Black Metal doesn't have to satanic, but it sure as Hell cannot Christian.

Author:	Lucifer's Son [ Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:47 pm ]
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cry of the banshee wrote: metal_xxx wrote: Should christian bands be labeled black metal at all? No. Black Metal doesn't have to satanic, but it sure as Hell cannot Christian. Even christian with a vengeance?

Author:	Goat [ Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:51 pm ]
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If Doom can be Christian, I don't see why Black Metal can't be. Obviously it wouldn't be TRUE BM of a Satanic variety.

Author:	Lucifer's Son [ Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:55 pm ]
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Can we have muslim, jewish, buddhist or hinduist BM then? Does it actually exist?

Author:	Lucifer's Son [ Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:58 pm ]
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rio wrote: I would say lyrics are important, though. There are some lyrical subjects that I would say probably do make a band less black metal. For example, a BM band with this kind of lyrics would look kinda stupid : "Friday night and I need a fight My motorcycle and a switchblade knife Handful of grease in my hair feels right But what I need to make me tight are Girls, Girls, Girls Long legs and burgundy lips Girls, Dancin' down on Sunset Strip Girls Red lips, fingertips Trick or treat-sweet to eat On Halloween and New Year's Eve Yankee girls ya just can't beat But they're the best when they're off their feet Girls, Girls, Girls At the Dollhouse in Ft. Lauderdale Girls, Girls. Girls Rocking in Atlanta at Tattletails Girls, Girls, Girls Raising Hell at the 7th Veil Have you read the news In the Soho Tribune Ya know she did me Well then she broke my heart I'm such a good good boy I just need e new toy I tell ya what, girl Dance for me, I'll keep you overemployed Just tell me a story You know the one I mean Crazy Horse, Paris, France Forget the names, remember romance I got the photos, a menage a trois Musta broke those Frenchies laws with those Girls, Girls. Girls Body Shop. Marble Arch Girls, Girls, Girls Tropicana's where I lost my heart Girls, Girls, Girls"

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Author:	Goat [ Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:56 pm ]
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cry of the banshee wrote: Goat wrote: If Doom can be Christian, I don't see why Black Metal can't be. Obviously it wouldn't be TRUE BM of a Satanic variety. Come on, man... Doom and Black Metal are not the same. As soon as the lyrics start praising the virtues of Jesus, it ceases to be Black Metal, surely you understand why this is. Yeah, but they can have similarities... Funeral Doom is straddling the line.

Author:	Goat [ Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:59 pm ]
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cry of the banshee wrote: Lucifer's Son wrote: Can we have muslim, jewish, buddhist or hinduist BM then? Does it actually exist? haha, Those countries in which those religions are the predominate ones probabaly don't even allow Metal, let alone Black Metal. Yet it exists. http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540256815 For example.