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Author:  Dago [ Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:58 pm ]
Post subject:  List best Folk-Black you know.
Please guys can you give me a list of the best Folk-Black metal bands you know? thanks
Author:  WinterIsComing [ Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:14 pm ]
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Finntroll
Suidakra
Amorphis
Author:  deathkvlt [ Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:16 pm ]
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WinterIsComing wrote:
Amorphis


Amorphis has never played Black Metal; the first albums were Death Metal with nice keyboard work and traditional Finnish folkloric music.

As for folk Black Metal bands that haven't been listed I'll add:

Nokturnal Mortum
Darkestrah
Gontyna Kry

Those are the ones that come to mind at the moment; I'll list more as I remember them. If you wish to find loads od Folk Black Metal bands I recommend you to check out the NSBM scene, because many of the bands in the scene have heavy folk influences.
Author:  WinterIsComing [ Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:22 pm ]
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deathkvlt wrote:
WinterIsComing wrote:
Amorphis


Amorphis has never played Black Metal; the first albums were Death Metal with nice keyboard work and traditional Finnish folkloric music.

As for folk Black Metal bands that haven't been listed I'll add:

Nokturnal Mortum
Darkestrah
Gontyna Kry

Those are the ones that come to mind at the moment; I'll list more as I remember them. If you wish to find loads od Folk Black Metal bands I recommend you to check out the NSBM scene, because many of the bands in the scene have heavy folk influences.


I still don't get what is the difference between death and black metal.
Author:  Metalhead_Bastard [ Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:24 pm ]
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:? man, me too! but i think thay its this:black metal is just death metal bout the devil... :? or is it?
Author:  WinterIsComing [ Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:31 pm ]
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metalhead wrote:
:? man, me too! but i think thay its this:black metal is just death metal bout the devil... :? or is it?


I always thought that black metal was a slower, more mysterious/atmospheric, more epic, more orchestral form of death metal, but it looks like I was totally off.
Author:  deathkvlt [ Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:32 pm ]
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WinterIsComing wrote:
deathkvlt wrote:
WinterIsComing wrote:
Amorphis


Amorphis has never played Black Metal; the first albums were Death Metal with nice keyboard work and traditional Finnish folkloric music.

As for folk Black Metal bands that haven't been listed I'll add:

Nokturnal Mortum
Darkestrah
Gontyna Kry

Those are the ones that come to mind at the moment; I'll list more as I remember them. If you wish to find loads od Folk Black Metal bands I recommend you to check out the NSBM scene, because many of the bands in the scene have heavy folk influences.


I still don't get what is the difference betweed death and black metal.


OK, WIC, peoplw will start giving lists of thousands of differences for you to understand, but the best way for you to get it is by listening to music so here's what you'll do:

Play:

"Morbid Angel - Covenant" (Death Metal) and "Nile - In their Darkened Shrines" (Brutal/Technical Death Metal)

and then play:

Darkthrone - Transilvanian Hunger (Raw Black Metal) and Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse (Symphonic Black Metal)

This are pure forms of the genres that they represent. Hear them and you'll easily notice the differences between the genres. Then move along to other albums you have doubts of and compare them to those I mentioned, soon you'll be able to tell the differences without even thinking about it.
Author:  deathkvlt [ Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:33 pm ]
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metalhead wrote:
:? man, me too! but i think thay its this:black metal is just death metal bout the devil... :? or is it?


:evil: NO :evil:

:roll:
Author:  Metalhead_Bastard [ Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:45 pm ]
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sorry...an explanation of what death and black metal are please?
Author:  deathkvlt [ Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:06 pm ]
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metalhead wrote:
sorry...an explanation of what death and black metal are please?


deathkvlt wrote:
OK, WIC, peoplw will start giving lists of thousands of differences for you to understand, but the best way for you to get it is by listening to music so here's what you'll do:

Play:

"Morbid Angel - Covenant" (Death Metal) and "Nile - In their Darkened Shrines" (Brutal/Technical Death Metal)

and then play:

Darkthrone - Transilvanian Hunger (Raw Black Metal) and Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse (Symphonic Black Metal)

This are pure forms of the genres that they represent. Hear them and you'll easily notice the differences between the genres. Then move along to other albums you have doubts of and compare them to those I mentioned, soon you'll be able to tell the differences without even thinking about it.


And no need to apologize, just listen to pure forms of each genre and soon you'll notice that the difference goes beyond the theme; there are loads of Death Metal songs with Satanic lyrics and that doesn't make them Black Metal.

There are differences regarding technique, vocals, production, and many other factors. You'll soon find that Black and Detah Metal are two very VERY (if not totally) different things.
Author:  WinterIsComing [ Mon Feb 21, 2005 2:03 am ]
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deathkvlt wrote:
WinterIsComing wrote:
deathkvlt wrote:
WinterIsComing wrote:
Amorphis


Amorphis has never played Black Metal; the first albums were Death Metal with nice keyboard work and traditional Finnish folkloric music.

As for folk Black Metal bands that haven't been listed I'll add:

Nokturnal Mortum
Darkestrah
Gontyna Kry

Those are the ones that come to mind at the moment; I'll list more as I remember them. If you wish to find loads od Folk Black Metal bands I recommend you to check out the NSBM scene, because many of the bands in the scene have heavy folk influences.


I still don't get what is the difference betweed death and black metal.


OK, WIC, peoplw will start giving lists of thousands of differences for you to understand, but the best way for you to get it is by listening to music so here's what you'll do:

Play:

"Morbid Angel - Covenant" (Death Metal) and "Nile - In their Darkened Shrines" (Brutal/Technical Death Metal)

and then play:

Darkthrone - Transilvanian Hunger (Raw Black Metal) and Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse (Symphonic Black Metal)

This are pure forms of the genres that they represent. Hear them and you'll easily notice the differences between the genres. Then move along to other albums you have doubts of and compare them to those I mentioned, soon you'll be able to tell the differences without even thinking about it.



Well it would be easier if you just describe/point out some main differences between death and black.
Author:  Anonymous [ Mon Feb 21, 2005 2:44 am ]
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Why would that be easier? I agree that the best way to tell the difference would be to listen. It is music afterall.
Author:  Anonymous [ Mon Feb 21, 2005 5:14 am ]
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Metalcrypt has a great description of different genres.

http://www.metalcrypt.com/genres.php

check it out, should clear things up.
Author:  OurFinestCoward [ Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:38 am ]
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I've always seen the diff between BM bands and Death Metal bands...


But, to describe one, as I see it...

BM is all about shrillness in terms of vocals. Not really grunting, but more hissing, and scratchiness. Sometimes straight up shrieking. The guitar melodies seem to buzz, more legato than technical, as it usually flows without breaks. Noisy, but not unorganized. Almost always complex. Rather than your normal metal hooks, they'll catch your ear with obscure keyboards, or guitar leads. Synth ambience is common, as well as anything that helps them paints a picture. And I for one have never heard a BM band that had good production that didn't sound like cheap production anyway... Given, some BM bands do the rawness thing on purpose, I've always thought BM production was bad, regardless of how much effort is put into making it good.

As for Morbid Angel... I dunno, look at Alters of Madness. The vox always struck me as unfitting to the absolutely death music. Kinda BM, but I know, I know... Morbid Angel is as Death as you come. Well, other than Death.
Author:  Anonymous [ Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:28 am ]
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I'm just going to argue this in the differences between them. The most apperent thing to me is the use and general reliance on mood/ambiance in black metal. Even the shrillest lo-fi black metal creates some sort of atmosphere that no death metal I've ever heard attempts to.

So, while "good" death metal can be determined by riffage, technical skill, and more conventional songwriting judgments(no matter what the arrangments in the songs), "good" black metal is generally judged by the atmosphere it can create and hold throughout the whole album.
Author:  WinterIsComing [ Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:44 am ]
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Sounds like most black metal is just not for me, cause I don't like that style much. What are some of the most melodic or symphonic black metal? Do you know anything else that sounds similar to Rotting Christ's Genesis?
Author:  Dead Machine [ Mon Feb 21, 2005 2:36 pm ]
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Sanctus Diavolos sounds pretty similar to Genesis, but a tad rawer and with more symphonic elements.

I personally prefer it to Genesis, but that's just me.
Author:  Kathaarian [ Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:07 pm ]
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metalhead wrote:
sorry...an explanation of what death and black metal are please?


Is anyone going to write about the topic? The difference between death and black is obvious . Just listen and figure it out yourself. Anyway my favourite folk bands are Finntroll and Ensiferum and Die Apokalyptischen Reiter if they count as BM or folk BM or whatever...
Author:  Lord Jotun [ Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:45 pm ]
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The first three Ulver albums, you can do no wrong with that.

Bergtatt is the perfect crossbreed of Folk and Black Metal.
Kveldssanger is a purely acoustic folk album, with sparse clean and choirlike vocals (it's mostly instrfumental), but retains the "metalness" in the atmosphere and some of the melodies (I know, this sounds retarded, but it's hard to explain in words... just listen, and dream).
Nattens Madrigal is the exact opposite, meaning that it's a pure BM album, and a very harsh and aggressive one too, and the more folkish side only resides in the way the melodies are crafted. Amazing guitar and bass interplay to be found here.

Ensiferum and Finntroll might be good to check out too, although some people label Ensiferum more Viking than Folk, and Finntroll pure drinking music (what's wrong with that anyway?) :lol:

The bands mentioned above... I've also heard great things about a Romanian band called Negura Bunget (sp?), but I never had the chance to hear their stuff.

That's all I can think of right now... hope it helps.
Author:  deathkvlt [ Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:07 pm ]
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Lord Jotun wrote:
The bands mentioned above... I've also heard great things about a Romanian band called Negura Bunget (sp?), but I never had the chance to hear their stuff.


Negurã Bunget are fuckin' awesome!!!! 'n Crugu Bradului is one of the most overlooked albums in BM history. The band is truly one of the most original Black Metal agrupations out there.

Here are some genre definitions found in www.anus.com , I think this might help those of you who refuse to actually listen to the music. You can read and read all the definitions you want, but if you don't listen and listen to different albums then you're fucked.

ANUS wrote:

Death Metal

In a time when a neurotic obsession with moral conflict against communism gripped the West, this music preached total nihilism, or lack of preconceptions of belief, and a knowledge that death is more real than human political mechanations. Arguably for the most part rhythm music, this genre uses muffled picking and tremelo strumming of power chords or single-string playing to hammer out a machine code of intricate riff textures and the geometries of convergent sound. Its structuralism matches its grim but self-empowering worldview. Distinguished by bass-end tuning and guttural chanting vocals, death metal exists underground by deliberately disrupting consonant aesthetic and programming the human mind at the lowest levels with natural, intuitive rhythms.


Black Metal

In the time after the Cold War, an involution of "progressive" values caused the West to lose sight of natural values in a desire to outperform each other in a competition of egalitarian morals. Black metal rose above this normative impulse by aspiring to the highest realms of human conception and behavior, embracing intellectual elitism and the honorable warrior mentality of the medieval era. Where death metal broke music into raw rhythm and structure, black metal built upon that foundation in technique by exploring the use of melody as the central principle of songwriting. Long phrases harmonize internally and resolve in resounding tremelo, often creating from broken apart sound an organic torrent of tones that wrapped around each other and create a single, clear, evolving melodic line which forms the structure of each composition.
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