Black metal and symbolism

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:01 pm

noodles wrote:

Exactly. If power metal bands started setting each other on fire and saying they were combating with the dragonflame it wouldn't add to the genre's mystique.

I try to separate the music from the musician too although I'll admit I'm biased towards bands who don't put on corpse paint and adopt pseudonyms.

I personally don't really dig the whole corpsepaint thing either, but it doesn't really bother me. I kinda like the pseudonyms business though, if done well, and not something strictly from corn.
Meh, if the music is good, that's good enough for me.

The_Voice · **Posted:** Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:00 am

cry of the banshee wrote:

noodles wrote:

Exactly. If power metal bands started setting each other on fire and saying they were combating with the dragonflame it wouldn't add to the genre's mystique.

I try to separate the music from the musician too although I'll admit I'm biased towards bands who don't put on corpse paint and adopt pseudonyms.

I personally don't really dig the whole corpsepaint thing either, but it doesn't really bother me. I kinda like the pseudonyms business though, if done well, and not something strictly from corn.
Meh, if the music is good, that's good enough for me.

Exactly, i mean corpsepaint, pseudonyms, inverted crosses, etc are part of the genre and if done well they can be pretty cool but its the fucking music that counts, take king diamond for example if his music didnt kick ass he'd only be a stupid clown with a whiny voice, his whole imagery works because he actually writes great music.

That reminds me: We need more King Diamond reviews bitches!

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:05 am

The_Voice wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

noodles wrote:

Exactly. If power metal bands started setting each other on fire and saying they were combating with the dragonflame it wouldn't add to the genre's mystique.

I try to separate the music from the musician too although I'll admit I'm biased towards bands who don't put on corpse paint and adopt pseudonyms.

I personally don't really dig the whole corpsepaint thing either, but it doesn't really bother me. I kinda like the pseudonyms business though, if done well, and not something strictly from corn.
Meh, if the music is good, that's good enough for me.

Exactly, i mean corpsepaint, pseudonyms, inverted crosses, etc are part of the genre and if done well they can be pretty cool but its the fucking music that counts, take king diamond for example if his music didnt kick ass he'd only be a stupid clown with a whiny voice, his whole imagery works because he actually writes great music.

That reminds me: We need more King Diamond reviews bitches!

haha, yeah, King Diamond is great. Excellent songwriting and excellent musicianship, fairly consistently.
And +10 on the KD reviews, if only as homage.

Rhys · **Posted:** Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:11 am

But, no matter what this discussion, I still fail to recognise what makes me so sad when I hear for example, Burzum's Black Spell of Destruction.

I think I see music as more than simply entertainment...

Rhys · **Posted:** Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:12 am

Goat wrote:

Ha, I know exactly who you mean... he's getting enough of a drubbing in the Venom argument, not much point dragging the poor lad through shit yet again.

I wasn't serious, I'm just not very funny. lawl

Goat · **Posted:** Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:52 am

following the reaper wrote:

But, no matter what this discussion, I still fail to recognise what makes me so sad when I hear for example, Burzum's Black Spell of Destruction.

I think I see music as more than simply entertainment...

Music IS simply entertainment, but it has the potential to be more, an experience akin to a great movie or looking at an amazing painting. It is an art form, after all.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:25 am

noodles wrote:

Exactly. If power metal bands started setting each other on fire and saying they were combating with the dragonflame...

One can only hope...
:lol:

Rhys · **Posted:** Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:32 pm

Goat wrote:

following the reaper wrote:

But, no matter what this discussion, I still fail to recognise what makes me so sad when I hear for example, Burzum's Black Spell of Destruction.

I think I see music as more than simply entertainment...

Music IS simply entertainment, but it has the potential to be more, an experience akin to a great movie or looking at an amazing painting. It is an art form, after all.

Would you consider any bm art goatster?

Goat · **Posted:** Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:27 pm

Yeah, loads of it.

traptunderice · **Posted:** Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:57 pm

following the reaper wrote:

Goat wrote:

following the reaper wrote:

But, no matter what this discussion, I still fail to recognise what makes me so sad when I hear for example, Burzum's Black Spell of Destruction.

I think I see music as more than simply entertainment...

Music IS simply entertainment, but it has the potential to be more, an experience akin to a great movie or looking at an amazing painting. It is an art form, after all.

Would you consider any bm art goatster?

What a silly question. Of course it is. Dare I say it's the most consistently artistic genre? It's a lot of personal angst that people put into it. It doesn't seem like it's done for money put for catharsis.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:09 am

following the reaper wrote:

Goat wrote:

following the reaper wrote:

But, no matter what this discussion, I still fail to recognise what makes me so sad when I hear for example, Burzum's Black Spell of Destruction.

I think I see music as more than simply entertainment...

Music IS simply entertainment, but it has the potential to be more, an experience akin to a great movie or looking at an amazing painting. It is an art form, after all.

Would you consider any bm art goatster?

Didn't he just say that?

Quote:

It is an art form, after all

Godammit, when using paint thinner, use only in a well ventilated area.
This cannot be stressed enough, children.

Rhys · **Posted:** Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:48 pm

cry of the banshee wrote:

following the reaper wrote:

Goat wrote:

following the reaper wrote:

But, no matter what this discussion, I still fail to recognise what makes me so sad when I hear for example, Burzum's Black Spell of Destruction.

I think I see music as more than simply entertainment...

Music IS simply entertainment, but it has the potential to be more, an experience akin to a great movie or looking at an amazing painting. It is an art form, after all.

Would you consider any bm art goatster?

Didn't he just say that?

Quote:

It is an art form, after all

Godammit, when using paint thinner, use only in a well ventilated area.
This cannot be stressed enough, children.

I wasn't sure if he was saying music is art or bm is art dammit. I'm going to go cry you big meanie :sad:

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:40 pm

following the reaper wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

following the reaper wrote:

Goat wrote:

following the reaper wrote:

But, no matter what this discussion, I still fail to recognise what makes me so sad when I hear for example, Burzum's Black Spell of Destruction.

I think I see music as more than simply entertainment...

Music IS simply entertainment, but it has the potential to be more, an experience akin to a great movie or looking at an amazing painting. It is an art form, after all.

Would you consider any bm art goatster?

Didn't he just say that?

Quote:

It is an art form, after all

Godammit, when using paint thinner, use only in a well ventilated area.
This cannot be stressed enough, children.

I wasn't sure if he was saying music is art or bm is art dammit. I'm going to go cry you big meanie :sad:

Seinfeld26 · **Posted:** Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:29 am

Goat wrote:

We could argue about this for weeks.

"I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword"

Seinfeld appearing in 3... 2...

And heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere's Seinfeld!!!

::Cue Johnny Carson's theme music::

I don't know how much I can contribute to this thread, since I don't listen to black metal. But I believe the common term for Christian black metal is "un-black metal." Lame, I know. But worth mentioning.

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