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Why are the Trivium and Metallica threads the most popular threads here?


I'll take a wild guess and say it's because they're two of the most popular metal bands around.



errrrm wrong! It's because they are the most contreversial ones, so obviously people are very vocal about them. Trivium is not as popular as you guys think. They will not sell the amount of albums Death Magnetic have sold in the past three weeks.

Proof is the lack of reviews of Shogun on metal sites and on sites dedicated to more commercial material such as music.ign.com and rollingstone.com ect..

They still haven't reviewed Shogun ( and I don't expect them too) but Metallica's Death Magnetic reviews were out even before the official release of the album.

As well, I could name many bands more popular than Trivium in metal circles so that argument is just totally wrong.


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i dunno, Trivum managed to find aperfect balance between catchy songs and awesome guitar playing that makes a 8 minute song go by in no time, l

Whereas 1 Song is over 11, 2 over 6 and the rest are normal 4-5 Minute songs. Normal lengths for a metal record.


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the longer songs stand out to me more


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Hm, there are only 3 longer songs. :)

But because of the big number of different riffs, vocal styles, breaks etc. even the shorter/normal length songs are subjective longer as they actually are.

I think, Ascendancy had more hit songs, while Crusade and Shogun are harder to get into.


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I really can't see what noodles likes in this. His arguments are kind of sound, they are using poppy choruses, but there are so many bands doing it so much better... Even the guitar work, which, while impressive, is certainly not enough to redeem the bad songwriting. It's just plain boring! Reminds of the reaction I had with Blooddrunk.

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The #1 criticism of The Crusade was that they were just copying Metallica. Explain how this equates with them not being thrash.

Again, I don't care that much if you don't like them, but don't try to say they're almost emo. Ridiculous...


Alright, maybe categorizing them as emo was stretching it a little. But then again you can call them thrash if you want to if your idea of thrash metal is mainstream oriented metallica influenced music with really, and I mean, really lame and uninspired lyrics. For me, I'd call that Metalcore.


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Kathaarian wrote:
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Why are the Trivium and Metallica threads the most popular threads here?


I'll take a wild guess and say it's because they're two of the most popular metal bands around.


Yes but we're all so kvlt why the fuck are we talking about Metallica and Trivium. =(

Or wait, this is a trap. I'm already posting more about Metallica and Trivium.


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grandbazaar wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
The Evil Dead wrote:
Why are the Trivium and Metallica threads the most popular threads here?


I'll take a wild guess and say it's because they're two of the most popular metal bands around.



errrrm wrong! It's because they are the most contreversial ones, so obviously people are very vocal about them. Trivium is not as popular as you guys think. They will not sell the amount of albums Death Magnetic have sold in the past three weeks.

Proof is the lack of reviews of Shogun on metal sites and on sites dedicated to more commercial material such as music.ign.com and rollingstone.com ect..

They still haven't reviewed Shogun ( and I don't expect them too) but Metallica's Death Magnetic reviews were out even before the official release of the album.

As well, I could name many bands more popular than Trivium in metal circles so that argument is just totally wrong.


Don't be ridiculous. Both Ign and Allmusic have reviewed their previous albums and will probably review this one. They've entered the billboard charts on 20 something ranks with the last 2 albums. They receive constant airtime on MTV2 and are hugely supported by roadrunner. Yes they are one of the most famous bands in metal.


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but it's got half as many RYM ratings as the new Cynic!! and that's not even out yet


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right now i'd give it a 90 (but i've only listened to it three times so dunno what my opinion will be down the line). it's like this year's Colors: v. surprising for me. my only complaint right now is the harmonised choruses being used in almost every song (and being used only during the chorus) makes them come across as samey, even when the actual melodies are quite different. it's a small complaint, dwarfed by the albums many high points, and that i'd imagine will get smaller as the songs become more familiar.


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Really? I have no idea what you hear in this.


i dunno, Trivum managed to find aperfect balance between catchy songs and awesome guitar playing that makes a 8 minute song go by in no time, while also having enough variety to stay entertaining for over an hour. they also fixed (almost) everything i remember not liking about their last albums (mainly Andy Sneap's production and the general lack of variety and anything that stood out as awesome); if someone had said a month ago that i'd think the new Trivium was the best metal album of 2008 i wouldn't have believed them lol


Fair enough. All I know is that I haven't been impressed by anything they've released, and none of their new songs seem to impress me either.They're just not my style of band, I guess.


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Kathaarian wrote:
grandbazaar wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
The Evil Dead wrote:
Why are the Trivium and Metallica threads the most popular threads here?


I'll take a wild guess and say it's because they're two of the most popular metal bands around.



errrrm wrong! It's because they are the most contreversial ones, so obviously people are very vocal about them. Trivium is not as popular as you guys think. They will not sell the amount of albums Death Magnetic have sold in the past three weeks.

Proof is the lack of reviews of Shogun on metal sites and on sites dedicated to more commercial material such as music.ign.com and rollingstone.com ect..

They still haven't reviewed Shogun ( and I don't expect them too) but Metallica's Death Magnetic reviews were out even before the official release of the album.

As well, I could name many bands more popular than Trivium in metal circles so that argument is just totally wrong.


Don't be ridiculous. Both Ign and Allmusic have reviewed their previous albums and will probably review this one. They've entered the billboard charts on 20 something ranks with the last 2 albums. They receive constant airtime on MTV2 and are hugely supported by roadrunner. Yes they are one of the most famous bands in metal.


I never said anything about allmusic they are pretty prompt on reviews being done the week an album is released but it's never the case with Trivium on other sites, they are usually done much later on.

Yes Trivium is popular but you are over evaluating it's popularity.
Lamb of God, Killswitch Engage, As I Lay Dying, Avenge Seven Fold and Bullet for My Valentine for example are far more popular.


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I might review this but here is the thing I don't have other Trivium albums so this would be my first one I would probably be unbiased since I can't compare this with other Trivium albums.


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I might review this but here is the thing I don't have other Trivium albums so this would be my first one I would probably be unbiased since I can't compare this with other Trivium albums.


that would be fine by me :cool:


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I find it odd how much passion Trivium generates. Be it negative or positive.

They seem like a band everyone should just think are ok. (Which is how I feel) I mean, there's nothing particularly special about them, but they're certainly not horrible. Why no middle ground?

It puzzles me. Are you not allowed to be a "good" band these days?


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I find it odd how much passion Trivium generates. Be it negative or positive.

They seem like a band everyone should just think are ok. (Which is how I feel) I mean, there's nothing particularly special about them, but they're certainly not horrible. Why no middle ground?

It puzzles me. Are you not allowed to be a "good" band these days?


I agree.

I still don't get why people hate on The Crusade. For example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rSfGtLzshc&NR=1


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heatseeker wrote:
Fatpom wrote:
I find it odd how much passion Trivium generates. Be it negative or positive.

They seem like a band everyone should just think are ok. (Which is how I feel) I mean, there's nothing particularly special about them, but they're certainly not horrible. Why no middle ground?

It puzzles me. Are you not allowed to be a "good" band these days?


I agree.

I still don't get why people hate on The Crusade. For example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rSfGtLzshc&NR=1


Or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llFS_RO2cls


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I wish they woulda cut out the retarded vocals like they did in The Crusade, but they revived them due to popular demand. It makes my ears bleed... in a bad way. I wipe my forehead with a sigh of relief when a song arrives at the chorus. I mean, cmon... they can't even do those vocals correctly. Makes me wanna take out the CD, break it in half, and reinsert As I Lay Dying - some guys that can do screaming vocals a gabillionty times better. Aside from that the guitar work is fucking awesome. The drumming could use some more interesting chops I think. The subject matter of the lyrics is pretty epic.

Overall I think this album is a improvement from any previous material. Like most here commenting on it, I've only listened to it in its entirety a few times.


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I despise the vocals of this band no matter what form they take.


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Trivium fanboys, answer me this: what are they doing that other bands aren't, and much better? WHY listen to Trivium aside from their better advertising budget?


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