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Fuck Sublime and every douchey sandal-wearing polo-tee-collar-popping backwards-cap chest-bumping Natty-Ice-drinking asshole who listens to them.


Yessir cheers to that.


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That is why so many bands use Emin as the standard key. It is fairly emotionless, but it also can be very emotive using certain note combinations, but the scale doesn't have a "universal mood" It evokes mystery more than anything. But not nearly as well as E Phrygian (think "The Gates of Babylon"). D#/Ebmin is more "laid back" sounding. A minor is sad sounding. D Major sounds moody or melancholy. ect.

There's a scale for every mood basically. I'm no Black Metal expert, but if they are using E min mostly like a lot of bands, they are trying to provide the same kind of feeling. That key combines the mystery of E Phrygian, the sadness of Amin and the granduer of a brighter major key due to the raised F note. It suits Black metal well as long as they are avoiding the F# note ascending.

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I like Sublime. 40oz to Freedom has a special place in my heart as something I listened to a ton at 15 and still enjoy today.

I always thought metal <3'd Em because it's pretty natural to play riffs in it with a standard tuned guitar. Never noticed a different emotional feel between different minor keys. Just the difference in timbre.

No black metal band stands out as more particularly terrible than the others.


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Adding two more bands to my ever growing list of shitty bm acts, Abruptum and Gnaw their tongues, both aiming for a more noise/dark ambient black metal sound yet both failing miserably.


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stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
Adding two more bands to my ever growing list of shitty bm acts, Abruptum and Gnaw their tongues, both aiming for a more noise/dark ambient black metal sound yet both failing miserably.

Yeah, Abruptum is horrible.


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That is why so many bands use Emin as the standard key. It is fairly emotionless, but it also can be very emotive using certain note combinations, but the scale doesn't have a "universal mood" It evokes mystery more than anything. But not nearly as well as E Phrygian (think "The Gates of Babylon"). D#/Ebmin is more "laid back" sounding. A minor is sad sounding. D Major sounds moody or melancholy. ect.

There's a scale for every mood basically. I'm no Black Metal expert, but if they are using E min mostly like a lot of bands, they are trying to provide the same kind of feeling. That key combines the mystery of E Phrygian, the sadness of Amin and the granduer of a brighter major key due to the raised F note. It suits Black metal well as long as they are avoiding the F# note ascending.


I think they use E because that's the standard tuning for guitar, and any tuning other than E is probably a dropped tuning or the result of an extra string to make the music sound more "brootal"


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noodles wrote:
I always thought metal <3'd Em because it's pretty natural to play riffs in it with a standard tuned guitar. Never noticed a different emotional feel between different minor keys. Just the difference in timbre.



Listen for it dude, it's there. Every note has it's own character that is not dependent on pitch due to the imperfections in the equal temperament system. It takes a pretty precise ear to hear the difference of a couple "cents."

The reason E is used is because it's relationship to its perfect 4th and perfect 5th. Guitars tuning to that effect is purely a function of the notes and not the other way around.

I can't remember which, but two of the notes are only about 2 cents off from the "true" note, which is why we have 438, 439, 441, and 442 tuning to compliment the standard 440 as A, so instead of A being perfect, one or the other notes, respectively can be perfect, or you can compromise and have two notes only a cent off. This stuff is there for a reason.

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Legacy Of The Night wrote:
Adveser wrote:
That is why so many bands use Emin as the standard key. It is fairly emotionless, but it also can be very emotive using certain note combinations, but the scale doesn't have a "universal mood" It evokes mystery more than anything. But not nearly as well as E Phrygian (think "The Gates of Babylon"). D#/Ebmin is more "laid back" sounding. A minor is sad sounding. D Major sounds moody or melancholy. ect.

There's a scale for every mood basically. I'm no Black Metal expert, but if they are using E min mostly like a lot of bands, they are trying to provide the same kind of feeling. That key combines the mystery of E Phrygian, the sadness of Amin and the granduer of a brighter major key due to the raised F note. It suits Black metal well as long as they are avoiding the F# note ascending.


I think they use E because that's the standard tuning for guitar, and any tuning other than E is probably a dropped tuning or the result of an extra string to make the music sound more "brootal"


actually, the lowest tone does not necessarily determine the note. It generally does, but in the case of a chord such as B-E-B-E played on a seven string, the extra B is an added bass note and not the root of the chord. It is still an E5 chord. So the seven string is usually there to add a bass note, not produce lower notes. Some people don't get that aspect and ignore it totally, which is fine too. :)

I think a lot of people use E because they don't know any better. Using E in a sad song is kinda like taking speed to go to bed early.

Good thing bands like Rush were never that naive.

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I dunno. Music is a pretty subjective thing. It's hard to say, for example, that "D minor is the best key for sad songs" or "F is the best for writing happy songs" because it's all up to the person writing who's writing the music and how they hear D minor or F major compared to any other key.


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noodles wrote:
I like Sublime. 40oz to Freedom has a special place in my heart as something I listened to a ton at 15 and still enjoy today.


My god, Noodles, Sublime? Your ability to irritate me has now reached legendary proportions.


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Legacy Of The Night wrote:
I dunno. Music is a pretty subjective thing. It's hard to say, for example, that "D minor is the best key for sad songs" or "F is the best for writing happy songs" because it's all up to the person writing who's writing the music and how they hear D minor or F major compared to any other key.


That would be true, except that 99% of musicians come to the same conclusions regarding that. I think it is pretty universal for that one little aspect. lets take the note of F#, if you told someone who isn't a musician that it is a character and to describe the way he is you invariably get the same descriptions of his "character" as being "twangy" or "country sounding" ect. What is clear is that we are all hearing the same thing when it comes to the notes. Scales, note choices, taste, ect. are the more subjective parts.

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Deathspell Omega

Atleast everything after Si Moumentum blablab.

And yes, I am quite serious.


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Skartasis wrote:
Deathspell Omega

Atleast everything after Si Moumentum blablab.

And yes, I am quite serious.


haha
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Add everything prior, as well.


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I can't think of another BM band quite so divisive.


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Skartasis wrote:
Deathspell Omega

Atleast everything after Si Moumentum blablab.

And yes, I am quite serious.


:rolleyes:


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emperorblackdoom wrote:
I can't think of another BM band quite so divisive.
Paracletus is going to be sooo sick.


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traptunderice wrote:
emperorblackdoom wrote:
I can't think of another BM band quite so divisive.
Paracletus is going to be sooo sick.


Yeah, I think I'll steer clear of that argument. I like DsO but understand why others don't.


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cry of the banshee wrote:
Skartasis wrote:
Deathspell Omega

Atleast everything after Si Moumentum blablab.

And yes, I am quite serious.


haha
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Add everything prior, as well.


what the hell? :blink:


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emperorblackdoom wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
emperorblackdoom wrote:
I can't think of another BM band quite so divisive.
Paracletus is going to be sooo sick.


Yeah, I think I'll steer clear of that argument. I like DsO but understand why others don't.


I don't, someone should try to explain it to me.


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We've already covered this a few pages back. Back in late April, I believe.

Maybe not the worst, but definiteley the most over-hyped and overrated.
Can't stand Funeral Mist, either.


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