Do You Think Metallica Can Make A Comeback?

TheMetalWarrior316 · **Joined:** Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:01 am **Posts:** 646

metal_xxx wrote:

It lacks: Good vocals, ripping solos, killer riffs, decent drums, and this has in no way complex structures.

It has: Good bass, some good riffs, too fucking long songs.

Hm, you are missing complex structures but the songs are too long - what's wrong with this? How can a short song have a complex structure? Maybe it's not Dream Theater but All Nightmare Long, The Judas Kiss or Broken Beat and Scarred are much more complex than anything from, let's say: Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax or so.

Goat · **Posted:** Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:55 pm

If this came out directy after AJFA, it would be seen as a huge step down.

And the last damn thing that counts is what logo they're using.

TheMetalWarrior316 · **Joined:** Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:01 am **Posts:** 646

doublewhat wrote:

correction... if you like the black album you will like this. while everybody is talking about how about the need to get back to the sound of the first four. what about fifth? Why not do a black album 2? I was switching back and forth between black and DM, and i figured it out. Death Magnetic is black album 2... sort of. As i posted earlier, DM really isn't an old school style album. Its a blended new breed. DM is a bit commercialized and catchy and in its own little world like TBA , but still very unpolished. Its also blended with ...And Justice For All. The drums and solos make that seem true. The Day That Never Comes would sit perfectly well in the black album. You are correct if you believe that this is a ntural progression from AJFA. Me personallythinks that this would be a natural progression from the Black Album. TBA is almost like a reboot. DM would be the next logical step if you went the heavy progressive route. Instead Metallica went the light route. So we got Load and Reload INSTEAD. I actually like Load and Reload by the way. If im in a country metal / led zeppelin mood i put it on. DM will be the best heavy metal comeback of 2008.

Whereas I think DM has more in common with and justice as with the Black Album, because, the self titled one has a complete different style as the and justice. Gone were the long, very long songs, gone where most of the thrash riffs, gone were the complex structure. Enter Sandman or Sad But True or Wherever I May Roam are IMO great songs (and this was my first metallica album :rolleyes:

) but nonetheless they were very catchy and sure very commercial, where songs like on and justice were everything but commercial. And if you listen to songs like the longer ones on DM, they are also everything but not commercial. And, there are also many Kill em All Elements.

Even the Day that never comes could be called "One Two"

"...waiting for the ONE, the day that never comes..." :wink:

TheMetalWarrior316 · **Joined:** Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:01 am **Posts:** 646

Zad wrote:

If this came out directy after AJFA, it would be seen as a huge step down.

And the last damn thing that counts is what logo they're using.

But everything stands or falls with the logo. :wink:

There were people in the 80s that screamed sellout when they heard "Fade to Black"....

...and there are sure people who hated everything after Kill em All...

but you can't please anybody.

EvilInvader · **Posted:** Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:14 pm

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

Whereas I think DM has more in common with and justice as with the Black Album, because, the self titled one has a complete different style as the and justice. Gone were the long, very long songs, gone where most of the thrash riffs, gone were the complex structure. Enter Sandman or Sad But True or Wherever I May Roam are IMO great songs (and this was my first metallica album :rolleyes:

)

TBA was also my first Metallica album. And I also think that Death Magnetic has a lot in common with TBA whichi is a good thing, imo.

The Black album is definately a great heavy metal album and so were their first four. Load was excellent. In my book, they only released two bad albums in their whole carreer.

doublewhat · **Posted:** Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:13 pm

im just trying to make a good place to put Death Magnetic in the world of Metallica where everyone will accept it.
Here the mindet that would work. DM is what would happen if they went the heavy route instead of the more lighter route after the Black Album. . After Load came out people were pointing to The Unforgiven as clear sign of what was going to happen next. DM is what would have happened if Load didn't come out. I can hear the warm guitar sounds of Load in the chorus riffs of Cyanide. There are other songs with examples of that sort of bluesy guitar sound in the solos. Lets say Metallica decided to get heavier but still retained that sort of commrcialized appeal. Just imagine that this album came out in 1996 instead of Load.

Seinfeld26 · **Posted:** Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:38 pm

doublewhat wrote:

im just trying to make a good place to put Death Magnetic in the world of Metallica where everyone will accept it.
Here the mindet that would work. DM is what would happen if they went the heavy route instead of the more lighter route after the Black Album. . After Load came out people were pointing to The Unforgiven as clear sign of what was going to happen next. DM is what would have happened if Load didn't come out. I can hear the warm guitar sounds of Load in the chorus riffs of Cyanide. There are other songs with examples of that sort of bluesy guitar sound in the solos. Lets say Metallica decided to get heavier but still retained that sort of commrcialized appeal. Just imagine that this album came out in 1996 instead of Load.

No offense, but I don't know if such a hypothetical suggestion is really going to change Zad's opinion, since he liked the Load twins.

doublewhat · **Posted:** Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:30 pm

Seinfeld26 wrote:

doublewhat wrote:

im just trying to make a good place to put Death Magnetic in the world of Metallica where everyone will accept it.
Here the mindet that would work. DM is what would happen if they went the heavy route instead of the more lighter route after the Black Album. . After Load came out people were pointing to The Unforgiven as clear sign of what was going to happen next. DM is what would have happened if Load didn't come out. I can hear the warm guitar sounds of Load in the chorus riffs of Cyanide. There are other songs with examples of that sort of bluesy guitar sound in the solos. Lets say Metallica decided to get heavier but still retained that sort of commrcialized appeal. Just imagine that this album came out in 1996 instead of Load.

No offense, but I don't know if such a hypothetical suggestion is really going to change Zad's opinion, since he liked the Load twins.

i like Load too. as i posted earlier, if im in a country metal/Led Zeppelin style mood, i'll put some ReLoad first cause I like the songs that are thiere better. More hard rockers on that album then whats on Load. My two most fav songs on ReLoad is Prince Charming and Attitude. of course there will always be that small majority that prefers high octane country metal as oppose to thrash. There are no Metallica i don't like. St. ANGER has some some good ideas too. Just fix the drums...... ...

Mintrude · **Posted:** Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:21 pm

I'm genuinely a bit sad that Death Magnetic wasn't as good as I expected. I had faith in them, I really did.

rio · **Posted:** Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:24 pm

Mintrude wrote:

I'm genuinely a bit sad that Death Magnetic wasn't as good as I expected. I had faith in them, I really did.

Wierd.... Death Magnetic is way better than I was expecting. Maybe that's because I didn't have faith in them.

traptunderice · **Posted:** Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:35 am

I sorta agree with him maybe. :unsure:

If I was going to compare this album to anything I would say it is the black album plus Machine Head's Blackening. I haven't listened to The Blackening in a few months but I'm getting the same vibe from DM with the irregular structure and epic solos.

I like the album after around twelve or thirteen listens. The solos took some time for me to really enjoy and the album has its flaws but it is good.

If they release another album after this, I'd like to see it more focused with shorter songs along the vein of My Apocalypse and then it could actually be considered a return to form. Their is so much going on on this album, it would be awesome to trim and focus it.

@Seinfeld: They are streaming more songs at metallica.com and at 9pm last night, they streamed the entire album over their metallica internet radio show.

Seinfeld26 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 06, 2008 2:06 pm

traptunderice wrote:

I sorta agree with him maybe. :unsure:

If I was going to compare this album to anything I would say it is the black album plus Machine Head's Blackening. I haven't listened to The Blackening in a few months but I'm getting the same vibe from DM with the irregular structure and epic solos.

I like the album after around twelve or thirteen listens. The solos took some time for me to really enjoy and the album has its flaws but it is good.

If they release another album after this, I'd like to see it more focused with shorter songs along the vein of My Apocalypse and then it could actually be considered a return to form. Their is so much going on on this album, it would be awesome to trim and focus it.

@Seinfeld: They are streaming more songs at metallica.com and at 9pm last night, they streamed the entire album over their metallica internet radio show.

Thanks for the head's up.

Like I said before, being that this is Metallica's first real effort in almost 20 years to return to their thrash metal days, it shouldn't be too surprising that this album might be a bit rough around the edges. If you started off writing thrash metal, spent the next 15 or 20 years writing hard rock and then later wanted to start playing thrash metal again, you'd probably also be a bit rusty with it. Of course, I've only heard a couple songs from this album, but what I've heard so far sounds just like classic Metallica. It should be interesting seeing how the more stingy metal critics rate this album when it's released.

Although, rest assured, there will be a ton of bias (both for and against Metallica) in the upcoming reviews, so finding an even somewhat objective review of Death Magnetic may be downright difficult.

Metalhead_Bastard · **Posted:** Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:26 pm

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

metal_xxx wrote:

It lacks: Good vocals, ripping solos, killer riffs, decent drums, and this has in no way complex structures.

It has: Good bass, some good riffs, too fucking long songs.

Hm, you are missing complex structures but the songs are too long - what's wrong with this? How can a short song have a complex structure? Maybe it's not Dream Theater but All Nightmare Long, The Judas Kiss or Broken Beat and Scarred are much more complex than anything from, let's say: Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax or so.

This shit's more complex than Rust in Peace? Shut up.

rio · **Posted:** Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:35 pm

How can a short song have a complex structure? What a crazy question of course it can...

Thomas · **Posted:** Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:54 pm

I'll admit that I'm maybe too much of a proghead. But, I still think Death Magnetic lacks complex structures.

belowthelights · **Joined:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:10 pm **Posts:** 780

im not really seeing what the problem here is. imo this is pretty :dio:

im only half way through the disc but so far its light years better than i thought it would be. it still isn't AMAZING but then again i never really was the biggest metallica fan anyways.

still, im happy for them. its always cool to see a veteran band put out something worth listening to especially when its an album following up something as god awful as st. anger.

TheMetalWarrior316 · **Joined:** Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:01 am **Posts:** 646

rio wrote:

How can a short song have a complex structure? What a crazy question of course it can...

But not very often. Ok, old Megadeth is an exception but DM is IMO much more complex than e.g. anything from Metallica since and justice for all and more complex than the last 6 or so Megadeth records.

Kathaarian · **Posted:** Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:56 pm

This album is indeed good. I was positively surprised. James sounds ok, Lars is better than he's been for the last 15 years, Kirk's solos are awesome as usual. They don't try that hard to thrash here so it doesn't sound forced at all to me. But there are some real kickass headbanging parts, especially on almost like your life and the day that never comes. Hell even unforgiven III is bearable enough to sit through for the rest of the songs.

traptunderice · **Posted:** Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:00 pm

The more I listen to it, the more I like it. I'm almost the point of loving it now. This is way better than Christ Illusion, United Abominations or Anthrax's latest which I guess should be kept in mind.

Seinfeld26 · **Posted:** Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:54 am

Sooooooo, will we be seeing a review for this bad boy tomorrow or will we need to wait until next week?

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