Metal Reviews

I usually don't, maybe just a few of them. Which bands would you call "extreme metal" anyway?

That, as I stated, the taste in music is one that is not shared by the mainstream, not that the enjoyment of said music is derived from its lack of mainstream acceptance; I thought that was clear.
You are confusing the cause with the effect.
If the underground BM scene became mainstream without changing
its sound and values, I would not stop listening to it.
I NEVER cared for Metallica and their ilk, even before they became popular.
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Isn't that what rap pretty much about? :oops:

Too many bands, but genres would include Black, Death, Grind, Thrash...
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I like it when it has good variation musically and vocally and the voice is interesting (otherwise it is pretty boring to listen to entire album of screaming and harsh vocals), and when vocals go well with the music instead of interfere with one another. Very picky I guess.

I never said they suck; I said they were weak and boring and whiny, in response to someone elses outrage over the fact that other people never thought they were all that great.
And, yes he is wrong about Burzum, but that is not the point. The point is wev'e heard it a hundred times, it would be just as annoying to any one else if someone were to endlessly bash <insert favorite band/genre> at evey oppurtunity, I mean it does get old after awhile.
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Thats cool; to each their own.
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I actually did not say anything about what I thought - I only said what some people might reasonably be expected to imply.

Of course your stance is simple to defend with logical arguments.. but if I ever catch you saying you don't like something because it's mainstream :)

You must know that I truly don't care about how mainstream something is, you might know me as a black metal fan, and azrael seems to dislike that, still i prefer old CoF over Darkthrone, so shut up if you only intend to say that i cannot dislike machine head because i just don't like mainstream at all.

what mainstream metal records did you buy lately ? I guess it's goota be close to none regarding your BM devourer habits... :roll:

HAHA! fair enough.
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Hehehe, I just recently found out how to buy underground BM over the internet without a credit card, so that has been the main target and will be for a while 8)

Really, I wasn't going to comment as Machine Head is something I have no opinion on, but since you have told me to shut up in advance, it certainly seems that is a major component of your disliking them, not that there is anything wrong with that.

I will admit that outside of metal, I am reluctant to like a song if it is too popular 'just because'. Also, I do think that mainstream can be used as an adjective to describe the music itself, as it just so happens that the majority of people on this planet are wired to like music with melody and soft edges. Mainstream could therefore be described as the soft centre of any genre.

I didn't say that you should shut up in advance since you do not say that I cannot have a decent opinion on mainstream, because I just don't like mainstream. I like some mainstream bands such as old CoF, old Dimmu and CoB, so I don't hate machine head for being mainstream. I dislike them for using Rap, and I cannot credit them for being an influence because of this. I don't know what you mean by mainstream on this matter, I think you can describe a bands mainstream sound by saying they have a metalcore influence, or a modern sound, because basicly that's usually what it's about. Softness and melodism have nothing to do with mainstream, they can occur everywhere at any time. Now I'm not totally sure here, but if I say that I don't like "modern" sounds and metalcore, then I'm probably implying that I don't like mainstream, this is not so, since not every mainstream band suffers from this. I could sum this post up by saying I'm just not entirely sure...

Just so everyone is aware: Anthrax started the rap-metal thing with Cum On Feel the Noize, a collaboration with Public Enemy.

If you're going to blame anyone, Gast, blame them.

you're right, mainstream is a difficult thing to describe, but I'm sure it's there somewhere because we all know it when we see it!

I'll explain it a little further because people seem to misunderstand (might be because I put it a little too vague in the first place). I can say I credit Darkthrone for their huge influence on music that I like, while not really liking Darkthrone themselves. I therefore do not credit Machine Head, because what they have had influence on, is not what I like (Rap-metal) and I do not care for the band itself either. I'm not really blaming anyone for inventing Rap-metal, I'm saying I can't credit them for it.

I never knew that Machine Head are very mainstream? I didn't think they are extremely popular or extremely influential.

The thing that angers me about Machine Head is that they didn't start out as a 'rap metal' band. Burn My Eyes was a good album, it wasn't black metal or death metal, but it was good. Then they went to shit. It's the way they devolved into that genre that really ticked me off. Look at pics of Rob from the Old video, then look at what he is now, what a joke. I doubt this would be such a hot topic if the band never released Burn My Eyes.

Maybe its cause I am not familiar with mainstream stuff, but I can't see any BM being played on say MTV. To me black metal and death metal will mainly exist outside the beaten path.



Legion

I heard about them before I listened to metal, they were on MTV quite frequently.