If one were to delve further into the world of black metal..

Anonymous · **Posted:** Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:31 am

otakon wrote:

I own Bergtatt for 2 years already... and it bores me now, so as Emperor and others of that ilk

Blasphemy on the other hand.......... :twisted:

YOU LIKE BLAsPHEMY!?!?!? pwnage.

rio · **Posted:** Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:10 am

I'd second Deathspell Omega, but Kenose is kind of a disappointment to me. I thought the idea of it was better than the execution. Si Momentum... is great, and the favourite thing I have of theirs is some split with Clandestine Blaze, although it's more primitive.

Chrash, from your original post:

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The epic sweeping melodies that hit you like sorrow manifested itself as a nocturnal cold wind and carried you away

Well, I guess to me that sounds like a description of Windir. Do you know them? They're pretty famous but I didn't see anyone mention them yet.

Goat · **Posted:** Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:28 pm

Contra Ignem Fatuum.

Best BM ever.

Kathaarian · **Posted:** Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:35 pm

Zad wrote:

Contra Ignem Fatuum.

Best BM ever.

It's got my stamp of approval.

Goat · **Posted:** Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:38 pm

Kathaarian wrote:

Zad wrote:

Contra Ignem Fatuum.

Best BM ever.

It's got my stamp of approval.

Read all about it.

Skartasis · **Posted:** Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:53 pm

Zad wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

Zad wrote:

Contra Ignem Fatuum.

Best BM ever.

It's got my stamp of approval.

Read all about it.

samples anywhere? After reading that I'm not really exited, but I could give it a try.

Goat · **Posted:** Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:56 pm

Skartasis wrote:

Zad wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

Zad wrote:

Contra Ignem Fatuum.

Best BM ever.

It's got my stamp of approval.

Read all about it.

samples anywhere? After reading that I'm not really exited, but I could give it a try.

Not that I know of. Ask Kathy to up it for you.

Edit: Supernal's listing...

leee · **Posted:** Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:00 pm

otakon wrote:

leee wrote:

Countess - Spawn of Steel
Morrigan - Headcult and Enter the Sea of Flames
Meggido - The devil and the whore

\m/ Meggido is damn great. I'll add Tearstained, Faustcoven, heck every black metal band under Barbarian Wrath.

Both Tearstained and Countess just released their latest album!

Yeah, I just ordered that Countess. Tearstained is cool but the new MP3's I heard maybe not totally my thing.

People would probably like Aneal a lot but not totally my thing either.

leee · **Posted:** Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:03 pm

chrash wrote:

@ Kathaarian
I have heard the name Deathspell Omega quite alot but never have I got any description of their music, but they should fit my needs?
What I have heard of Mütiilation on blackmetalradio.com didn't really spark my interest (It was pretty much just average minimalistic BM, as far as I recollect. Or am I mistaken?)
But I will try and google around for some Silencer.

@ Emperorblackdoom
Hmm... yeah I know that everybody is quite keen on Ulver, but everybody is also quite keen on alot of other BM bands that I have crossed off my list (Emperor, Mayhem, Darkthrone, Immortal, Gorgoroth, Aura Noir) based on sound samples and what I have heard on blackmetalradio.com. So, the fact that Ulver is quite popular in the BM underground doesn't say alot to me, so therefore I have to rely on a more objective (if such a thing exist) description of the music. What I have heard of Marduk also sounded promising, especially in their focus on emotion through melodies, and not just frostbitten grim soundscapes, eventhough their sound was abit .. hmm.. simple (Like the intricasy of Setherials "Nord").

@ Legacy of the Night
Isn't Leviathan some of that droning funeral black/doom like Xasthur and Norrt (which I have also crossed off my list of potential BM that I would like)?
Some of the early Burzum I have heard was kind of punkish and angry (in the way I can't relate to), doesn't "Hvis Lyset Tar Oss" and "Det Som Var Engang" fall into that category?

@ Leee
Some of the Arcturus I have heard sounded promising. "Aspera Hymns Simfonia" would be the album of theirs to try out?
What I remember of Gehenna and Dødsheimgard didn't really intrigue me. Alot of the bands you mention here after doesn't ring a bell, except Grand Belials Key and Krieg (both of which I didn't like).
I have heard one song though of Anaal Nathrahk called "Reevaluation of all Values" (I just accidentally heard it because of the Nietzsche reference) which was promising eventhough it in no way was ethereal, beautiful or epic, but very powerful (like the language and philosophy of Nietzsche).

@ Skartasis
Don't know alot of the bands you mentioned but will be on the look-out for them. I did know Wyrd though, and that didn't appeal too much to me (as it wasn't very emotional).

@ Unknownkadath666
I have also noted that "The Secrets of the Black Arts" should be worth a try, but have also on the other hand heard some samples that indicated that emotionless aggressive (an oxymoron, I know) kind of black metal, but I might just be mistaken? Or what? Does some of the darkness, sorrow and despair which appears on "Attero Totus Sanctus" also exist on "The Secrets of the Black Arts"?

@ Zeth
Yeah, but I feel like my specifications are quite different than yours since you just asked for BM in general, where as I am searching for that particularly beautiful, epic and ethereal BM.

Sorry bro, sounds like you don't like what I consider Black Metal but that is cool. Plenty of shit like what you like is out there, happy hunting.

chrash · **Posted:** Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:22 pm

@ Emperorblackdoom

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What Emperor songs did you listen to that made you cross them off your list?

"I am the Black Wizard", "The Cosmic Keys to my Creation and Time" (or something like that), "The Source of Icon E" + I heard samples of all the songs on "In the Nightside Eclipse" in a recordstore.. It wasn't bad actually but it needed just that something extra for me to actually buy it. (This was quite some time ago, so my memory might be lacking)

@ Kathaarian
I found that a band called Silencer but that wasn't BM at all, more like some technical melo-death/metalcore of the american school.
Could you direct me to a place where I might get a taste of Deathspell Omega?
I will give Mütiilation another chance if I should stumble upon it based on your description (It might just be my poor old memory that's lacking).
About Leviathan: Ok, what kind of ambient? The Ulver - "Teachings In Silence" kind of experimental (but intriguing) ambient, or just some basic orchestral keyboard kind of ambient?
And I have heard "Dunkelheit" and you are quite right, its a really good track. Isn't "Dunkelheit" off the same record as "Jesus' Tod" if I remember correctly? If so, that record might be what I am looking for.

As I don't know alot about BM so it might be so that Dark Funeral isn't normally caracterized as emotional, and I can understand that as they do indeed go about the more straight forward aggressive BM (for example parts of "King Antichrist" and parts in almost all their other songs), but I would still say that there is a great deal of emotion and atmosphere to be found, at times, in tracks like the closer "Final Ritual". And furthermore: I thought that the speed of Dark Funeral was about upper-average for BM? You make it sound like they are one of the most extreme bands in regards of speed..

@ Rio
Hmm.. I think I remember some of Windirs covers as being pretty epic, and that the mainman died in the cold of a norwegian høyfjelds-winter, but on the contrary I also remember a clip on youtube.com with some oompa-polka-keyboards reminiscent of the happy-go-lucky feel of Finntroll. Can you confirm this?

Bottomline: Sounds like some Ulver - "Bergtatt" and some Burzum for me so far...

unknownkadath666 · **Posted:** Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:47 pm

[quote="chrash"]

@ Unknownkadath666
I have also noted that "The Secrets of the Black Arts" should be worth a try, but have also on the other hand heard some samples that indicated that emotionless aggressive (an oxymoron, I know) kind of black metal, but I might just be mistaken? Or what? Does some of the darkness, sorrow and despair which appears on "Attero Totus Sanctus" also exist on "The Secrets of the Black Arts"?
[quote]

well it has as much emotion as dark funeral ever has. The band never hits a really good level of emotion. If you want the darkness sorrow and despair by the truck load go for the stuff like Burzum or deathspell omega. They do it alot better.

rio · **Posted:** Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:10 pm

There's not really many similarities between Windir and Finntroll. They use very melancholic classically influenced melodies, and sound a lot colder and more epic. A good place to stream samples is here http://www.myspace.com/arntoreinwindir

Kathaarian · **Posted:** Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:39 pm

chrash wrote:

@ Kathaarian
I found that a band called Silencer but that wasn't BM at all, more like some technical melo-death/metalcore of the american school.

This is my fault. You found the American Silencer and yes, thay are as you described. I was talking about the Swedish Silencer. Sadly they have been split-up and the main man has been institutionalized, so forget about it. It's impossible to track them down. Sorry.

chrash wrote:

Could you direct me to a place where I might get a taste of Deathspell Omega?

Ok, you have to try deathspell omega. It isn't emotional but it has great atmosphere and is one of the best black metal bands lately.

heres their myspce with 2 songs: http://www.myspace.com/deathspellomega

heres one song from their last ep: Kenose
http://www.southernlord.com/ (you'll find it in the "Listen" section, Deathspell Omgega, Kenose III)

chrash wrote:

I will give Mütiilation another chance if I should stumble upon it based on your description (It might just be my poor old memory that's lacking).

You can download the whole Remains... album here. It rules, it is chokingly sorrowful and sad.
http://www.officialworldgonemad.com/rev ... ation.html

chrash wrote:

About Leviathan: Ok, what kind of ambient? The Ulver - "Teachings In Silence" kind of experimental (but intriguing) ambient, or just some basic orchestral keyboard kind of ambient?
And I have heard "Dunkelheit" and you are quite right, its a really good track. Isn't "Dunkelheit" off the same record as "Jesus' Tod" if I remember correctly? If so, that record might be what I am looking for.

No, its not like Ulver. Leviathan is black metal with a lot of dark ambient. Dark atmospheric black metal, is another name for it. It is wierd, crazy and out of this world. You can find 2 songs from his last 2 albums here.

(right click and save these)

http://moribundcult.com/mp3/dead52.mp3
http://moribundcult.com/mp3/dead43.mp3

And yes you are right, Dunkelheit is in the same album as Jesus Tod, it's Filosofem. You should get it but also get Hvis Lyset tar Oss and Det Som Engang Var. All three of these are classics and should be in every black metal fan's collection.

chrash wrote:

As I don't know alot about BM so it might be so that Dark Funeral isn't normally caracterized as emotional, and I can understand that as they do indeed go about the more straight forward aggressive BM (for example parts of "King Antichrist" and parts in almost all their other songs), but I would still say that there is a great deal of emotion and atmosphere to be found, at times, in tracks like the closer "Final Ritual". And furthermore: I thought that the speed of Dark Funeral was about upper-average for BM? You make it sound like they are one of the most extreme bands in regards of speed..

Yes, you got me right. Dark Funeral is very fast and extreme black metal with very little or no emotion to be found. Please check out the bands I recommended and you will find that speed is not necessary for black metal and a lot of the latest bands who are considered true black metal aren't fast, in fact they're mid-paced at best but atmospheric as hell. That's what black metal is about, atmosphere and emotion, and you will find it as you explore into bm.

Skartasis · **Posted:** Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:14 pm

You know... just so that I mention this... that DsO myspace site is unofficial fansite, not maintained by the band. As are many sites that can be found there.

Kathaarian · **Posted:** Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:26 pm

Skartasis wrote:

You know... just so that I mention this... that DsO myspace site is unofficial fansite, not maintained by the band. As are many sites that can be found there.

Of course it is. I'm just pointing out where he can find DSO music. It would be weird to have an official DSO page anyway, considering they have only 2 interviews ever . In fact, I've only heard there were two interviews but one of it I couldn't find no matter how much I looked, the other is in Ajna Offensive, which is obviously normal.

chrash · **Posted:** Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:45 am

@ Karthaarian
It is about 02:45 in the night here in Scandinavia. The fullmoon gleams at me in the sky before me through the window...
I will give what you have found a listen and get back to you in the morning.

otakon · **Posted:** Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:55 am

leee wrote:

Yeah, I just ordered that Countess. Tearstained is cool but the new MP3's I heard maybe not totally my thing.

People would probably like Aneal a lot but not totally my thing either.

Cool man, i've heard the samples, sounds similar to Spawn Of Steel. Countess is among the best black METAL bands ever imo. I'll order it the next time.

and 'black' metal is supposed to be whiny slit my wrist and i hate the world emo? That's everything wrong with black metal today.

SilkCrimsonMoon · **Posted:** Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:19 am

Blut Aus Nord, Lunar Aurora, Klabautamann, Windir, Drudkh, (Old) Ulver, Deathspell Omega, (old) Satyricon, (Old) Dark Fortress, Wolves in the Throne Room, Astarte (All female BM from Greece), (Old) Gehenna, (Old) Borknagar, Leviathan, Forest of Fog, Primordial, Enslaved (new and old), Agalloch, Diaboli, (Old) In The Woods...

EisenFaust · **Posted:** Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:11 pm

I'll just add my standard reply for threads like this: Get some Drudkh. Their newest is excellent (profound, melancholic, beautiful). Drudkh is the best black metal band out there in my humble opinion.

Besides from that I'll warmly recommend the following bands:

Astrofaes (especially Those Whose Past is Immortal)
Hate Forest (especially Purity)
Wyrd
DsO
Nocternity
Alcest

Det ser ud til, at du har meget at tage fat på med alle disse anbefalinger, men jeg råder dig til at tage Drudkh som en af de første. Især da du allerede har listet en af deres sange i din indledning. Håber, at du kan bruge det til noget.

JÃ¼rgen · **Posted:** Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:16 pm

With all this talk of emotional music, i'm wondering what the fuck is emotionless music?

I find DsO, for example, very emotional (not in the "whiny slit my wrist and i hate the world emo"-way of course).

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