Metal Reviews

LOL, Ozzie, you don't need to be a fucking elitist to sniff out that metalcore is crap and bullshit.

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Oh, I beg to differ. Do you really think As I Lay Dying and Bleeding Through are doing something different? Yet, they are popular. I didn't even get to fucking Hatebreed. You don't need to get all pissy and defensive. No one said you were required to think metalcore sucks, even though it does. I really don't give a shit if you care what I say, but don't preach to me about the nonconformist attitude of metalcore fans when they are anything but. Do you really think most metalcore fans bother to look for bands beyond what shirts are on the wall at Hot Topic? I would say they don't. My ire was sparked by the comparison of metalcore to thrash, don't make it into something its not with the bullshit elitist blast. No one here is being an elitist or telling you what you have to listen to, we are simply voicing our opinion that metalcore sucks pig shit. Feel free to disagree.

I've heard some tracks from the new God Forbid, and they weren't that great. Gone Forever was pretty decent, but there's nothing that really distinguishes their new one from the rest of the metalcore herd (which does, in fact, suck pig shit).

afeigel- why are you talking about AsI lay Dying, Hatebreed, etc...? They do not define metalcore as a genre. Thats like saying you dislike black metal because of cradel of filth.

We are talking about God Forbid. Now tell me why you find God forbid Less of a contender than any other metal band you like.

And don't use taste. I want to know why GF are "less" of a band than any other metal band out there.

God Forbid is definitely some of the more memorable Metalcore that I've heard... They seem to play very wussy, apologetic solos though, in my experience. Not good for a band's metal credentials :evil:

As for inventive and original bands in metalcore.... I'm sure there must be some somewhere... Do we class TDEP thusly? They are inventive, at least, if not especialy great.

I know what you mean. I'm liking a lot on this album but I don't like the cleaner vocals in their tunes. I mean its very well done- nice harmonies but it just sounds too dated for my tastes. Instrumentally this album is very good. Theres not a weak player in this group. I just dislike the use of more clean vocals.

Why don't you read my original post in this thread genius? I said that I liked the last God Forbid album, in fact, I said that I wouldn't personally classify God Forbid as metalcore. Why can't I use taste as a factor? That's all we're talking about here, a difference of tastes. I never bagged on GF, get it straight.

Why am I talking about As I Lay Dying and Hatebreed? Because they are two of the most popular metalcore bands. Would you feel more comfortable with Norma Jean, Poison the Well, or Atreyu? My point is that I have heard a great deal of metalcore, and it mostly sucks. I really don't care if you like it or listen to it, that's up to you, just don't compare it to early 90's thrash because that is a stupid, not to mention factually incorrect, remark.

Oh, and Cradle of Filth are not black metal you newb. Your analogy was pretty thin. If I sat here all day and listed all the shitty metalcore bands out there, would that make you feel better? I simply said the genre was shit and cited some of the most popular bands of said genre.

afeigel-
I'm no newb. I don't post. And you've prooved for many years that your no idiot when it comes to metal. So I certainly value what you have to say.

What would you classify the new album as?

As I said before, I haven't heard the new album. However, "Gone Forever", which I liked, I guess I would classify as death metal. The vocals are alot better than the typical metalcore emo puking sound of, say, Trivium. The guitar sound is much better as well, as actual thought seems to be put into the riffs. Do you think the new album is better? Is it similar in sound? If so, then I may have to get it.

Sorry to sound shitty before. Your post implied that I was going off topic and being naive about this subject, which I didn't respond to kindly. I don't hate all metalcore, just most of it. For instance, I like Unearth. I also like other bands that people somehow consider metalcore like Lamb of God and Dillinger Escape Plan. I just think older thrash is far better.

The new album is a tough call. I'm not sure what to make of it yet. I too thought Gone Forever was a pretty good album. On the new one GF is playing even better riffs and you can certainly see that they spent some time writting. Many of the songs are approaching epic. This album seems more extereme. The heavy parts are heavier and the mellow parts are mellower.

They are using more clean vocals and it really takes away from the darkness of the album. They sing clean vocal harmonies well. Its just too much for me right now.

I need more time to decide if i really like it yet.

Ouch! The thought of more clean vocals makes me wary. On the last one, I thought the clean vocals were well placed and sounded pretty good. However, Byron's got good death metal pipes, he should fuckin' use 'em! For me, the most noticeable change for the better from "Determination" to "Gone Forever" is in the guitars switching from standard metalcore sound to a more aggressive and ranging death metal style. Unfortunately, it sounds like God Forbid might have tried to be too epic on this one. It might be that they hit their peak on their last offering, but I hope not. I plan on listening to it soon anyhow, and then I'll make my decision on its worth.

Also, if you like albums with a dark aura, people here can give you plenty of suggestions.

Yes, I definately like dark stuff without getting too theatrical. I always loved Dark Tranquility for that reason.

...if you do get to listen to GFs latest post here. I'd love to hear your take.

Dark Tranquility is one of my favorites. If there are any you haven't heard among the following, I would recommend you give a listen:

Amon Amarth
At the Gates
Eucharist
Carcass
The Forsaken
Ensiferum
Wintersun
Nevermore

People who use that term should be taken out into the streets and crucified.

Agreed. If that is the US answer to the NWOBHM, then I ashamed to call myself an American.

On topic, God Forbid sucks.

As for the continuing discussion that has developed here...metalcore may not be thrash, but it's easy to guess at why the connection is always made.

Black and death metal are both still breathing. Thrash is a pretty dead genre, kind of like the Latin of metal. Thrash fans are lesser in number, you get less vocal thrash experts, and there is no strong presence from the genre or it's fans. Therefore, in it's relative absence people just fall back on likening metalcore to thrash. If it's not black or death, but it's fast, it must be thrash! In all actuality of course, metalcore basically runs the gamut in terms of influence, and is commonly more indebted to death metal (mostly of the melodic kind).

If you liked Gone Forever, you might like the new one. Personally, I didn't like Gone Forever that much at first, but then it really grew on me upon repeated playings. It was one of those records that was pleasantly surprising once it opened up a bit in my mind. I had the same feeling towards Meshuggah's Catch 33. I thought it was a bit weak at first, but it took extra spins to really make an impact on me.

As far as the new God Forbid goes, maybe it'll be the same story. I've tried to enjoy it, but it doesn't grab me the same as the last album. I know they probably tried to put more effort into it, but it just doesn't have the same spark. It actually has less of the death influence and a more traditional influence on the sound if you ask me. It kinda reminds me of the last Shadows Fall album which I thought was efficient and professional but a little soulless.

Yeah, Shadows Fall's last album was the most aggregiously overrated album of the year.

Okay I just listened to some samples of Constitution of Treason and I think I see where this is going.

First, what the fuck have they done to the vocals?!! The sentiment that the vocal harmonies are overused is a valid one. The guitars sound good, but not as good as the last album. Overall, if they would tone down the clean vocal harmonies (they just don't suit this band well) they would be better off. From what I heard, this one is a step in the wrong direction, I would rate this album 70/100, whereas I rated Gone Forever 86/100.

If you want to listen to an album that succeeds where this one fails, go with Hypocrisy's new album Virus. Now there's an asskicker.

Well somehow they manage to sound all the same throughout the album even throughout the genre.



Predictable? Let me tell you something about predictable.

*Chuggah* *crappy In flames riff* *crappy shout/scream vocals* *clean vocal chorus* *chuggah*

does this ring a bell? Yes it's a metalcore song. It's the most predictable genre ever. It's all been done before by In Flames anyway. So why do these guys bother?

Metalcore is fading away anyway. Maybe the decent bands like Shadows Fall and Unearth will remain but the rest is doomed to failure.