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I have nothing else to contribute to this thread.


Yeah, all over bar the shouting.


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Venom, Hellhammer and Motorhead were pretty critical in creating extreme metal.

Motorhead - a heavy sound. No prettiness about it.

Venom - proto Thrash Metal and proto Black Metal

Hellahmmer - proto Thrash/Black Metal

Bathory - proto Black Metal

Slayer - important influence on Death Metal

Kreator - important influence on Death Metal

Possessed - massive influence on Death Metal

Replusion - important influence on Death Metal/Grindcore


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leck_mich_im_Arsch

Mozart had the renegade spirit of metal long before it was cool


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Rhys wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leck_mich_im_Arsch

Mozart had the renegade spirit of metal long before it was cool


A party piece for his friends that was never published during his lifetime? I think not.


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dead1 wrote:
Venom, Hellhammer and Motorhead were pretty critical in creating extreme metal.

Motorhead - a heavy sound. No prettiness about it.

Venom - proto Thrash Metal and proto Black Metal

Hellahmmer - proto Thrash/Black Metal

Bathory - proto Black Metal

Slayer - important influence on Death Metal

Kreator - important influence on Death Metal

Possessed - massive influence on Death Metal

Replusion - important influence on Death Metal/Grindcore


I think you hit the nail right on the head, when I listen to Pleasure to Kill it's fairly easy to see that they were going into more extreme territory. Most of the death metal bands I remember from Cannibal Corpse to Suffocation, admit a massive love for Kreator so it's obvious where some bands find their influence


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Destruction, Sodom: Black Metal
Celtic Frost: Death Metal


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Destruction for black metal?

:lol:

not only does Bathory, Hellhammer, Mercyful Fate, etc.. pre-date them, they are not even close to old black metal.


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Destruction for black metal?

:lol:

not only does Bathory, Hellhammer, Mercyful Fate, etc.. pre-date them, they are not even close to old black metal.


Not?

Hmmmm.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xr4GdCx ... re=related

Or for example "Curse the Gods" is on Fenriz compilation: "The Very Best of Old School Black Metal":
http://www.metalunderground.com/news/de ... wsid=12153
1. Blasphemy- Winds O The Black Godz
2. Sarcofago- Satanic Lust
3. Celtic Frost- Dawn Of Megiddo
4. Nattefrost- Sluts Of Hell
5. Mercyful Fate- Evil
6. Sodom- Burst Command Til War
7. Tormentor- Elisabeth Bathory
8. Aura Noir- Blood Unity
9. Destruction- Curse Of The Gods
10. Samael- Into The Pentagram
11. Bulldozer- Whisky Time
12. Mayhem- The Freezing Moon

And if I remember correctly he mentioned, that Destruction influenced Darkthrone, especially the sound which they wanted for, I think, Under a Funeral Moon (I'm not sure, maybe I can find the interview).

Interesting:
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse ... =495301550
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Most of black metal bands was born because of you and your music;)How does it feels? Especially in here,many bands are using your style and triying to be like you…(Everyone forgets where they live in,here)…

no they don't, it just looks that way. in my world it is the 80s that holds black metal magic, songs like feast of the grand whore from the satanas tedeum DEMO by rotting christ, or evil metal demo by VOOR. or the usual bathory/celtic frost, venom and mercyful fate. 80s had no dogma, the black metal was not uniformed - it was free like it should be. no trend - the way i saw it. there is more black metal feeling in infernal overkill album of DESTRUCTION (or obsessed by cruelty by SODOM) than in a THOUSAND 90s COPY BANDS!


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DevotedWalnut, did you do this on purpose?


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How the heck did Blasphemy get on that list?


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Destruction is and always have been thrash.

thank you and good night


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DevotedWalnut wrote:
Destruction is and always have been thrash.

thank you and good night


that doesn't mean they can't be influential to other genres.


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stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
DevotedWalnut wrote:
Destruction is and always have been thrash.

thank you and good night


that doesn't mean they can't be influential to other genres.


I didn't say that. The name of the thread is the most influential. He chose Destruction over several more deserving bands. I was pointing out his flaws.

It's what I do.


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Personally I think it was more Sodom than anything..but Destruction were also influential.


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stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
dead1 wrote:
Venom, Hellhammer and Motorhead were pretty critical in creating extreme metal.

Motorhead - a heavy sound. No prettiness about it.

Venom - proto Thrash Metal and proto Black Metal

Hellahmmer - proto Thrash/Black Metal

Bathory - proto Black Metal

Slayer - important influence on Death Metal

Kreator - important influence on Death Metal

Possessed - massive influence on Death Metal

Replusion - important influence on Death Metal/Grindcore


I think you hit the nail right on the head, when I listen to Pleasure to Kill it's fairly easy to see that they were going into more extreme territory. Most of the death metal bands I remember from Cannibal Corpse to Suffocation, admit a massive love for Kreator so it's obvious where some bands find their influence



Napalm Death also covered Kreator on one of their cover albums as a band that influential on them.

I did forget Sodom for Black Metal. Wasn't Euronymous a massive Sodom fan?


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TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:


Sounds like Slayer with bad production.


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stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
dead1 wrote:
Venom, Hellhammer and Motorhead were pretty critical in creating extreme metal.

Motorhead - a heavy sound. No prettiness about it.

Venom - proto Thrash Metal and proto Black Metal

Hellahmmer - proto Thrash/Black Metal

Bathory - proto Black Metal

Slayer - important influence on Death Metal

Kreator - important influence on Death Metal

Possessed - massive influence on Death Metal

Replusion - important influence on Death Metal/Grindcore


I think you hit the nail right on the head, when I listen to Pleasure to Kill it's fairly easy to see that they were going into more extreme territory. Most of the death metal bands I remember from Cannibal Corpse to Suffocation, admit a massive love for Kreator so it's obvious where some bands find their influence


In the early days of so-called extreme metal, the lines of demarcation seperating styles / genres were very blurry.
Thrash, especially German Thrash, definitely influenced both Death Metal and Black Metal, at least as far as the artists behind those respective movements listening habits.


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cry of the banshee wrote:
In the early days of so-called extreme metal, the lines of demarcation seperating styles / genres were very blurry.
Thrash, especially German Thrash, definitely influenced both Death Metal and Black Metal, at least as far as the artists behind those respective movements listening habits.


In fact most early extreme bands were playing Thrash Metal or various forms though even then Thrash Metal was less well defined than it is now.

I remember in one interview, Mille Petrozza from Kreator stated that the term Thrash Metal was a good way of differentiating themselves from the Glam Metal bands.


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GeneralDiomedes wrote:
TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:


Sounds like Slayer with bad production.


And Venom was sounding like Motörhead with a bad production. ;) Whereas early Slayer was also a big influence for Death and Black Metal. I mean, "Show No Mercy" was not so much different from Venom and stuff. The first wave of Black Metal was just normal Heavy/Thrash Metal with satanic lyrics... that was Black Metal in 1983/84.

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Destruction is and always have been thrash.

thank you and good night


What about this:
Destruction - A Black Metal Night EP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-D_Gf2qHyU

:D


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TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:
Destruction - A Black Metal Night EP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-D_Gf2qHyU


That is just a rehersal with incredibly bad sound. OK I give up, anything from the early 80s with shitty production was an influence on black metal. I get it now.


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