Will We Ever See Wintersun's Time Album Released Soon?

Afro_D-Shak · **Posted:** Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:28 pm

Wikipedia wrote:

On April 26, 2010, Mäenpää announced on the Wintersun message board that Land of Snow and Sorrow is completely finished and that the tracks Storm and Silver Leaves will be done soon[3].

Berefted Soul · **Posted:** Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:41 pm

Wintersun is still the best album I have heard since it was released in 2004. There is no way its going to meet expectations now. But I still think it could be awesome. I really wonder what the deal is because it sounds like the songs have been written for a while it was just an issue of recording (which is strange in this day in age).

huskerc7 · **Joined:** Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:58 am **Posts:** 17509

wintersun is definitely "extreme" you idiots. there's blast beats, screaming vocals, it's hella fast.

Karmakosmonaut · **Posted:** Fri Jul 09, 2010 8:47 pm

Berefted Soul wrote:

Wintersun is still the best album I have heard since it was released in 2004. There is no way its going to meet expectations now. But I still think it could be awesome. I really wonder what the deal is because it sounds like the songs have been written for a while it was just an issue of recording (which is strange in this day in age).

I think the guy had so many issues he had to sell his guitars on Ebay at one point.

Berefted Soul · **Posted:** Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:39 pm

Karmakosmonaut wrote:

Berefted Soul wrote:

Wintersun is still the best album I have heard since it was released in 2004. There is no way its going to meet expectations now. But I still think it could be awesome. I really wonder what the deal is because it sounds like the songs have been written for a while it was just an issue of recording (which is strange in this day in age).

I think the guy had so many issues he had to sell his guitars on Ebay at one point.

Wow! I agree with the person who said they should of done a documentary on this. Jari Maaenpa is such an amazing talent it boggles my mind how he hasn't at least done any touring for like 3-4 years.

Thomas · **Posted:** Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:51 pm

He's a Fin which equals a drunk, you do the math. Nah, just kidding, but still, if he wanted to make a documentary, this would take even more time, and money which he obviously don't have.

Flying Knee · **Joined:** Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:52 pm **Posts:** 108

Not sure if it was posted since it's a month old but.....

Quote:

The work on the album has been progressing but is on hold at the moment.

Jari started mixing "Time" in the beginning of February but had to put it on hold for now, because his equipment still can't quite handle the massive project.

Jari's been upgrading his home studio equipment bit by bit and has now the latest Mac Pro and Cubase 6 but most of the plugins he'd need for mixing don't exist in 64-bit format yet, so he still can't use more than 4GB of RAM.

With hundreds of tracks in each song project, the 4GB RAM limit is making his system unstable and basically impossible to work with.

Some of these 64-bit plugin updates were supposed to be released already in the beginning of 2011, but we're still waiting. Once the plugins are out and Jari gets his whole system finally working at 64-bit format and without RAM limit, the mixing will continue - hopefully much smoother and faster than before.

Look like we're not seeing this anytime soon :unsure:

. Maybe every metalheads should just collect funds and buy him his equipement.

Because at this rate we will see the end of the world (2012) before this get released

MetalStorm · **Posted:** Wed May 18, 2011 11:07 pm

"With hundreds of tracks in each song project, the 4GB RAM limit is making his system unstable and basically impossible to work with."

You know I've heard of albums being delayed for certain reasons but this one takes the cake. I mean we been waiting for this album for how long now and all of the sudden we have to wait because he didn't have enough fucking GIG :blink:

The Annoying Frenchman · **Posted:** Wed May 18, 2011 11:53 pm

This is getting ridiculous.
In the meantime U.D.O. - for example - has released 4 EPs, 4 studio albums, 2 live albums and a compilation...
This Wintersun's better be teh awesome.

Adveser · **Joined:** Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:26 am **Posts:** 2491

MetalStorm wrote:

"With hundreds of tracks in each song project, the 4GB RAM limit is making his system unstable and basically impossible to work with."

You know I've heard of albums being delayed for certain reasons but this one takes the cake. I mean we been waiting for this album for how long now and all of the sudden we have to wait because he didn't have enough fucking GIG :blink:

The guy obviously doesn't know how to mix an album. You could obviously bounce down the tracks and cut the number of tracks in half. You could also consolidate tracks that accompany different sections of the songs because faders and anything can be set to change values with the timestamp. And thats only the beginning. If you wanted an album made badly enough you could use a Pentium 3 with a half a gig of ram and it would be plenty.

This is not an excuse. Back in the days of 4-track studios, they managed to make classic records by mixing as the went. We aren't even talking about that, we're talking about using in excess of 48-tracks and it still works. The guy doesn't realize that most DAW's do not use RAM at all, but they use huge paging files? They only use RAM when applying effects. I can't imagine he would absolutely have to apply an effect to 50 tracks at once.

No, I don't get it. People have been using computer DAW since the late 90's. Geddy Lee had no problem recording his solo album on his 1999 Mac with a RAID array of hard drives.

Everything about this says to me the guy is a heroin addict who blows through all his money on junk and is either too strung out to work or too high to get anything done. If it is alcohol like it was also suggested, it's just hard to imagine someone drinking that much.

Ness · **Posted:** Thu May 19, 2011 4:16 am

Adveser wrote:

MetalStorm wrote:

"With hundreds of tracks in each song project, the 4GB RAM limit is making his system unstable and basically impossible to work with."

You know I've heard of albums being delayed for certain reasons but this one takes the cake. I mean we been waiting for this album for how long now and all of the sudden we have to wait because he didn't have enough fucking GIG :blink:

The guy obviously doesn't know how to mix an album. You could obviously bounce down the tracks and cut the number of tracks in half. You could also consolidate tracks that accompany different sections of the songs because faders and anything can be set to change values with the timestamp. And thats only the beginning. If you wanted an album made badly enough you could use a Pentium 3 with a half a gig of ram and it would be plenty.

This is not an excuse. Back in the days of 4-track studios, they managed to make classic records by mixing as the went. We aren't even talking about that, we're talking about using in excess of 48-tracks and it still works. The guy doesn't realize that most DAW's do not use RAM at all, but they use huge paging files? They only use RAM when applying effects. I can't imagine he would absolutely have to apply an effect to 50 tracks at once.

No, I don't get it. People have been using computer DAW since the late 90's. Geddy Lee had no problem recording his solo album on his 1999 Mac with a RAID array of hard drives.

Everything about this says to me the guy is a heroin addict who blows through all his money on junk and is either too strung out to work or too high to get anything done. If it is alcohol like it was also suggested, it's just hard to imagine someone drinking that much.

Here we go

Orion · **Posted:** Thu May 19, 2011 6:47 am

metalNESS wrote:

Adveser wrote:

MetalStorm wrote:

"With hundreds of tracks in each song project, the 4GB RAM limit is making his system unstable and basically impossible to work with."

You know I've heard of albums being delayed for certain reasons but this one takes the cake. I mean we been waiting for this album for how long now and all of the sudden we have to wait because he didn't have enough fucking GIG :blink:

The guy obviously doesn't know how to mix an album. You could obviously bounce down the tracks and cut the number of tracks in half. You could also consolidate tracks that accompany different sections of the songs because faders and anything can be set to change values with the timestamp. And thats only the beginning. If you wanted an album made badly enough you could use a Pentium 3 with a half a gig of ram and it would be plenty.

This is not an excuse. Back in the days of 4-track studios, they managed to make classic records by mixing as the went. We aren't even talking about that, we're talking about using in excess of 48-tracks and it still works. The guy doesn't realize that most DAW's do not use RAM at all, but they use huge paging files? They only use RAM when applying effects. I can't imagine he would absolutely have to apply an effect to 50 tracks at once.

No, I don't get it. People have been using computer DAW since the late 90's. Geddy Lee had no problem recording his solo album on his 1999 Mac with a RAID array of hard drives.

Everything about this says to me the guy is a heroin addict who blows through all his money on junk and is either too strung out to work or too high to get anything done. If it is alcohol like it was also suggested, it's just hard to imagine someone drinking that much.

Here we go

I know, right? Good times. :lol:

The Annoying Frenchman · **Posted:** Thu May 19, 2011 8:06 am

Orion wrote:

metalNESS wrote:

Adveser wrote:

MetalStorm wrote:

"With hundreds of tracks in each song project, the 4GB RAM limit is making his system unstable and basically impossible to work with."

You know I've heard of albums being delayed for certain reasons but this one takes the cake. I mean we been waiting for this album for how long now and all of the sudden we have to wait because he didn't have enough fucking GIG :blink:

The guy obviously doesn't know how to mix an album. You could obviously bounce down the tracks and cut the number of tracks in half. You could also consolidate tracks that accompany different sections of the songs because faders and anything can be set to change values with the timestamp. And thats only the beginning. If you wanted an album made badly enough you could use a Pentium 3 with a half a gig of ram and it would be plenty.

This is not an excuse. Back in the days of 4-track studios, they managed to make classic records by mixing as the went. We aren't even talking about that, we're talking about using in excess of 48-tracks and it still works. The guy doesn't realize that most DAW's do not use RAM at all, but they use huge paging files? They only use RAM when applying effects. I can't imagine he would absolutely have to apply an effect to 50 tracks at once.

No, I don't get it. People have been using computer DAW since the late 90's. Geddy Lee had no problem recording his solo album on his 1999 Mac with a RAID array of hard drives.

Everything about this says to me the guy is a heroin addict who blows through all his money on junk and is either too strung out to work or too high to get anything done. If it is alcohol like it was also suggested, it's just hard to imagine someone drinking that much.

Here we go

I know, right? Good times. :lol:

It seems like it can never be stopped...

Goat · **Posted:** Thu May 19, 2011 9:54 am

Adveser might have a point, though. This album has taken so long it's approaching Chinese Democracy levels of ridiculousness, and it's only because people like the first album that Jari still has any respect. Overrated band anyway.

Adveser · **Joined:** Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:26 am **Posts:** 2491

My point is that his excuses are hoping you don't know any better. Why people are bitching that I have an opinion is a mystery. You guys claim to be ignorant of production, maybe someone wants to know when they are being misled., if not. I enjoyed writing it, so who gives a fuck.

traptunderice · **Posted:** Thu May 19, 2011 2:56 pm

Goat wrote:

Adveser might have a point, though. This album has taken so long it's approaching Chinese Democracy levels of ridiculousness, and it's only because people like the first album that Jari still has any respect. Overrated band anyway.

+1 to this and Addy. Wintersun is alright but something is seriously off with him to have not released it by now.

RedHawk · **Joined:** Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:19 am **Posts:** 367

Adveser wrote:

My point is that his excuses are hoping you don't know any better. Why people are bitching that I have an opinion is a mystery. You guys claim to be ignorant of production, maybe someone wants to know when they are being misled., if not. I enjoyed writing it, so who gives a fuck.

Everything you said made sense, except assuming he's a heroin addict because he is taking too long to finish this album.

Plenty of other explanations can exist, eg. he's extremely lazy, he lacks motivation, relationship problems, health issues, etc.

traptunderice · **Posted:** Mon May 23, 2011 6:05 pm

Isn't he known as being an alchoholic?

The Annoying Frenchman · **Posted:** Mon May 23, 2011 6:54 pm

RedHawk wrote:

he's a heroic addict

nice typo! :lol:

MetalStorm · **Posted:** Mon May 23, 2011 7:24 pm

RedHawk wrote:

Adveser wrote:

My point is that his excuses are hoping you don't know any better. Why people are bitching that I have an opinion is a mystery. You guys claim to be ignorant of production, maybe someone wants to know when they are being misled., if not. I enjoyed writing it, so who gives a fuck.

Everything you said made sense, except assuming he's a heroic addict

He's my hero :lol:

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