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NSBM : What's your opinion ?
I love it ! the message too ! 18%  18%  [ 9 ]
It's okay if you don't put too much attention into the lyrics 22%  22%  [ 11 ]
Sometimes it's good but the message sucks 29%  29%  [ 14 ]
Errrrrr... no nazi shit for me, thx ! but then, let 'em speak... 14%  14%  [ 7 ]
Kill those nazis now ! 16%  16%  [ 8 ]
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I love how everyone on this forum is a fucking hippie until it comes to bashing America. You don't listen to NSBM because of it's "hateful" message, yet you do nothing but espouse hate for my country and it's people. I don't agree with my Government, but I DO love my homeland and I've tired of you assholes bashing it. If your Governments had the power to do the same things, then your Governments would, plain and simple. It seems YOU have forgotten how to walk a mile in a person's shoes before you judge them. Come spend some time in America before you judge it. I bet you'll be pleasantly surprised. I hate to burst your bubbles, but American Television ISN"T an accurate representation of the people here. Just because our celebrities are vapid idiots doesn't mean the common man is. I know I don't relate to Tom Cruise or Paris Hilton or even Dubya on any level whatsoever. I also see no difference between Bush's ignorance and Chirac's ignorance. they're both arrogant fucks who are out of touch with reality, as is the case with most politicians.


I wont argue on the Chirac/Bush comparison... let's just say i fully agree there except I think Bush is even more stupid than Chirac (which was not easy :P )

then, I don't bash Americans, i pity them.. they've been kept in an almost complete ignorance of the state of the world's affairs thus they really think they are the good guys here to save freedom when they're just manipulated by powerful companies such as Hally burton... :? I didn't say all were but a majority of your countrymates are beyond stupid because that's what your government wants...

also, we europeans are getting tired of how US think they are the world Police... who are they do decide weither an election is valid or not... weither a regime is oppressive or not... UN is there for that matter but US adminstration just doesn't seem to care much about UN or other countries opposition... can't we call that arrogance ? :roll:

then, I'm afraid the worst is yet to come for your country... first your economy will break down (for the benefit of both India & China)... then, what is going to happen ?... I think 1929 was a piece of cake when compared to what will happen in about 20/30 years... I fear Civil War is on its way... :(

btw, I have very good american friends and I've met a lot of americans while traveling in Asia so i do know all you americans aren't stupid cunts as some might think but, then again, it's just a minority but a growing minority which is a good sign... :D


we are not the worlds police, but we have our interests and we attend to them... rightly or wrongly.
The U.N. is a joke, so don't even mention it to me, they cannot even handle minor peacekeeping missions... look at Rwanda, Somalia, etc..
Do you honestly believe for a second that if the U.S. collapses that the rest of the world will not also be affected in a huge, negative way?
You seem to be unable to grasp the concept of PEOPLE as opposed to GOVERNMENT... and you base your evaluation of Americans on people you met in Asia?
You judge a whole group of people based on what Amnesty Intl says about the governments policies?
Israel also is routinely condemned by AI as well as the U,N... so is it o.k. for the Jews to be hated worldwide?
Can you say HYPOCRISY?
Every Frenchman I have met smells like a sewer, and likes to leer at underage girls, therefore they all do, if I am going to use your logic.
Fuck this shit, I am wasting my time therefore I am done with this.
Oh, and take your pity and shove it up your ass.
V


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valefor wrote:
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I still can't see how saving our ass back then should justify your government who acts like assholes now to make their ends meet.

If i save my neighbour and the next day began to steal and killing in the neightbourhood, i can't just say to the complaining neighbour, i saved the day before, that he shouldn't be complaining since i saved his ass.


How are we in your neighborhood?
Who are stealing from and killing in your neighborhood?
V.


As I see the whole debate, US views on the Iraq war are so different from European ones b/c of 9/11. Europe sees America as starting fights, the recent attacks in London probably took UK further from Europe and more towards US. Attacks on European locations would probably bring US and Europe closer, just like it did w/ Chirac and Blair despite the cvnt making stupid jokes about our agriculture and food. Who's got the Olympics now, Froggo? :twisted:

To repeat what I said before (kind of) : haters shouldn't be hated, but pitied.


Or heres a scenario:
The Russians re-arm, a dictator is elected, and decides to expand westward... not likely, but it is entirely possible...
do you think Europe is in any condition to stop them?
Even in the event of a nuclear exchange, Russia would win, hands down.
You can bet your ass that the leaders of Europe will be calling the White House asking for help.
And don't give me that "Europe can defend herself" BS, we all know how that went.
V.


If US is such a world superpower, why isn't N. Korea being sorted out? Because of fear of another Vietnam, what is happening in Iraq. I think the combined European armies could stop a Russian attack, and I think the Nuclear age is over now as well. Nowadays we have to worry not so much about countries invading each other but terrorist attacks that could be too devastating even for US to recover from, eg chemical, germ warfare, even these electro-magnetic pulse things that crop up all the time.


Well N. Korea is a complicated issue... they are not really a direct threat to us, but Japan, S. Korea would be hurt very badly by a U.S. invasion.
Another war on the Korean Peninsula, potentially nuclear, would obviously be disastrous.
And yes, Iraq was a huge mistake...
though I do not think the combined European armies could stop a Russian attack... they could not stop the Germans and the Russians are way stronger than the Germans were.
V.


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we are not the worlds police, but we have our interests and we attend to them... rightly or wrongly.
The U.N. is a joke, so don't even mention it to me, they cannot even handle minor peacekeeping missions... look at Rwanda, Somalia, etc..


UN should be the superior authority in order to coordonate international actions... that's what it was designed for but US government always overruling it sure made it a joke... but it's not too late do do this properly

as for your interests... if it wasn't for PETROL... :roll:

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Do you honestly believe for a second that if the U.S. collapses that the rest of the world will not also be affected in a huge, negative way?


negative way or not the world would sure be affected... that's why US administration has to change the way they act regarding ecology and foreign policy...

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You seem to be unable to grasp the concept of PEOPLE as opposed to GOVERNMENT... and you base your evaluation of Americans on people you met in Asia?
You judge a whole group of people based on what Amnesty Intl says about the governments policies?
Can you say HYPOCRISY?
Every Frenchman I have met smells like a sewer, and likes to leer at underage girls, therefore they all do, if I am going to use your logic.


I know some americans are opposed to Bush and its administration... the fact remains that he was re-elected by a majority... and as i've said the opposition is indeed a growing strength but it's still not enough to change things...

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Fuck this shit, I am wasting my time therefore I am done with this.
Oh, and take your pity and shove it up your ass.


I'm done too but it won't change how compassionate I am towards the american people :roll:


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valefor wrote:
zadsterboombox wrote:
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valefor wrote:
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I still can't see how saving our ass back then should justify your government who acts like assholes now to make their ends meet.

If i save my neighbour and the next day began to steal and killing in the neightbourhood, i can't just say to the complaining neighbour, i saved the day before, that he shouldn't be complaining since i saved his ass.


How are we in your neighborhood?
Who are stealing from and killing in your neighborhood?
V.


As I see the whole debate, US views on the Iraq war are so different from European ones b/c of 9/11. Europe sees America as starting fights, the recent attacks in London probably took UK further from Europe and more towards US. Attacks on European locations would probably bring US and Europe closer, just like it did w/ Chirac and Blair despite the cvnt making stupid jokes about our agriculture and food. Who's got the Olympics now, Froggo? :twisted:

To repeat what I said before (kind of) : haters shouldn't be hated, but pitied.


Or heres a scenario:
The Russians re-arm, a dictator is elected, and decides to expand westward... not likely, but it is entirely possible...
do you think Europe is in any condition to stop them?
Even in the event of a nuclear exchange, Russia would win, hands down.
You can bet your ass that the leaders of Europe will be calling the White House asking for help.
And don't give me that "Europe can defend herself" BS, we all know how that went.
V.


If US is such a world superpower, why isn't N. Korea being sorted out? Because of fear of another Vietnam, what is happening in Iraq. I think the combined European armies could stop a Russian attack, and I think the Nuclear age is over now as well. Nowadays we have to worry not so much about countries invading each other but terrorist attacks that could be too devastating even for US to recover from, eg chemical, germ warfare, even these electro-magnetic pulse things that crop up all the time.


Well N. Korea is a complicated issue... they are not really a direct threat to us, but Japan, S. Korea would be hurt very badly by a U.S. invasion.
Another war on the Korean Peninsula, potentially nuclear, would obviously be disastrous.
And yes, Iraq was a huge mistake...
though I do not think the combined European armies could stop a Russian attack... they could not stop the Germans and the Russians are way stronger than the Germans were.
V.


Of course, the fact that World War II was over fifty years ago means nothing. European armies have become much stronger in the years since. And I think the power of the Russian army is much overrated.

A foe that would devastate the US is China, who have become very strong in that respect.


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Why why why cannot people grasp the simple difference between nationalism and Nazism?! I refer not to T.I.E. here, but to those on the other side of this debate who do not seem to realise that, in simple fact, NS = Nazi.

Please try to understand this:

A national socialist is not a socialist who is proud of their culture. A national socialist is a Nazi. Therefore, if you vote "I love NSBM! The message too!", you are doing one of these tow things, and nothing else:

a) Expressing sympathy with Nazism
b) Misunderstanding what "NS" actually means

I would imagine that the latter is more prevalent.

Valefor, I do indeed have much respect for you but you are sounding here like the very worst stereotypes of Americans that mean they ARE (unjustly) hated all over Europe. This whole "oh if it wasn't for us you'd be speaking German bullshit", "Fuck yeah!" attitude.

How about if I argue that America wasn't the saviours in WW2, at best you were an even split with the Russians? As my last sentence demonstrates, this kind of nationalistic muscle flexing is actually a pretty weak and jaded argument. But if you REALLY want to go down that route, why doesn't T.I.E. say that if it wasn't for French intervention a couple of centuries ago, you'd have been a colony of Great Britain for much longer than you were. Or how about this: without the British, your precious homeland would still be a haven for American Indians?! Eventually China will overtake you as a power, then you'll have as little to gloat about as the rest of us.

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How did it feel being outdebated by a nazi, hippie boy ?


Kathaarian, let me ask you this. Why did you put "I love it"..? (if indeed you did) Is it because you value your own culture? Because you class yourself as a Nationalist? If so then I suggest to you that
you think a bit harder and realise that to describe these views as being "NS" is really factually very inaccurate, and in fact offensive to other nationalists who want nothing to do with Nazism. If on the other hand, you did it because you are genuinely are a Nazi, then there's really very little point entering into a debate about it. I believe Nazi's DESERVE a bullet in the head, but believe it would be wrong to do so. However, there are quite a few that would not add the latter half of that sentence.


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rio wrote:
Why why why cannot people grasp the simple difference between nationalism and Nazism?! I refer not to T.I.E. here, but to those on the other side of this debate who do not seem to realise that, in simple fact, NS = Nazi.

Please try to understand this:

A national socialist is not a socialist who is proud of their culture. A national socialist is a Nazi. Therefore, if you vote "I love NSBM! The message too!", you are doing one of these tow things, and nothing else:

a) Expressing sympathy with Nazism
b) Misunderstanding what "NS" actually means

I would imagine that the latter is more prevalent.

Valefor, I do indeed have much respect for you but you are sounding here like the very worst stereotypes of Americans that mean they ARE (unjustly) hated all over Europe. This whole "oh if it wasn't for us you'd be speaking German bullshit", "Fuck yeah!" attitude.

How about if I argue that America wasn't the saviours in WW2, at best you were an even split with the Russians? As my last sentence demonstrates, this kind of nationalistic muscle flexing is actually a pretty weak and jaded argument. But if you REALLY want to go down that route, why doesn't T.I.E. say that if it wasn't for French intervention a couple of centuries ago, you'd have been a colony of Great Britain for much longer than you were. Or how about this: without the British, your precious homeland would still be a haven for American Indians?! Eventually China will overtake you as a power, then you'll have as little to gloat about as the rest of us.

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How did it feel being outdebated by a nazi, hippie boy ?


Kathaarian, let me ask you this. Why did you put "I love it"..? (if indeed you did) Is it because you value your own culture? Because you class yourself as a Nationalist? If so then I suggest to you that
you think a bit harder and realise that to describe these views as being "NS" is really factually very inaccurate, and in fact offensive to other nationalists who want nothing to do with Nazism. If on the other hand, you did it because you are genuinely are a Nazi, then there's really very little point entering into a debate about it. I believe Nazi's DESERVE a bullet in the head, but believe it would be wrong to do so. However, there are quite a few that would not add the latter half of that sentence.


Rio,
I always respect your input as well, but you know I have never been the first to talk trash about Europe, or said they are hated etc.
and i realize I sound like the cliched American, but my point is that America has done some good things as well as bad things, but nobody ever seems to mention that.
You are quite right in pointing out that France and England have been the best friends the U.S. has had, and I don't see why some Europeans feel they need to dog us all the time; we have never done anything to directly harm you guys (that I know of, at least)
I am not gloating, but then again I am not trashing Europe all of the time either; as for China, it would be a mutual destruction, nobody would win. Europe included.
And the fact that the attitude is so hypocritical, it is very frustrating.
And I think I am not the only one that would get up on their hind legs, so to speak, if their country was continuously being dragged through the mud.
It gets old after about the 100th time.
We have our assholes, just as I am sure Europe and Canad etc. do, but there are a lot of decent Americans as well and to say that Americans are hated everywhere is not right.
V.


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zadsterboombox wrote:
valefor wrote:
zadsterboombox wrote:
valefor wrote:
zadsterboombox wrote:
valefor wrote:
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I still can't see how saving our ass back then should justify your government who acts like assholes now to make their ends meet.

If i save my neighbour and the next day began to steal and killing in the neightbourhood, i can't just say to the complaining neighbour, i saved the day before, that he shouldn't be complaining since i saved his ass.


How are we in your neighborhood?
Who are stealing from and killing in your neighborhood?
V.


As I see the whole debate, US views on the Iraq war are so different from European ones b/c of 9/11. Europe sees America as starting fights, the recent attacks in London probably took UK further from Europe and more towards US. Attacks on European locations would probably bring US and Europe closer, just like it did w/ Chirac and Blair despite the cvnt making stupid jokes about our agriculture and food. Who's got the Olympics now, Froggo? :twisted:

To repeat what I said before (kind of) : haters shouldn't be hated, but pitied.


Or heres a scenario:
The Russians re-arm, a dictator is elected, and decides to expand westward... not likely, but it is entirely possible...
do you think Europe is in any condition to stop them?
Even in the event of a nuclear exchange, Russia would win, hands down.
You can bet your ass that the leaders of Europe will be calling the White House asking for help.
And don't give me that "Europe can defend herself" BS, we all know how that went.
V.


If US is such a world superpower, why isn't N. Korea being sorted out? Because of fear of another Vietnam, what is happening in Iraq. I think the combined European armies could stop a Russian attack, and I think the Nuclear age is over now as well. Nowadays we have to worry not so much about countries invading each other but terrorist attacks that could be too devastating even for US to recover from, eg chemical, germ warfare, even these electro-magnetic pulse things that crop up all the time.


Well N. Korea is a complicated issue... they are not really a direct threat to us, but Japan, S. Korea would be hurt very badly by a U.S. invasion.
Another war on the Korean Peninsula, potentially nuclear, would obviously be disastrous.
And yes, Iraq was a huge mistake...
though I do not think the combined European armies could stop a Russian attack... they could not stop the Germans and the Russians are way stronger than the Germans were.
V.


Of course, the fact that World War II was over fifty years ago means nothing. European armies have become much stronger in the years since. And I think the power of the Russian army is much overrated.

A foe that would devastate the US is China, who have become very strong in that respect.


Yes China would devastate the U.S., but the U.S. would also devastate China... I con;t see the point you are trying to make.
Note: the U.s. spends more on its miklitary than the rest of the world combined, by far... keep in mind our troops ate overstretched due to being deployed around the globe, not because our military is weak. That can, and should be remedied. Merely bring them home, ready to be deployed as needed.
The world has never seen an army like ours... and while China gets stronger, so does the U.S. so China will never be a direct threat to America, unless a lunatic takes command.
Don't think for a minute that we are goiong to stop military spending, ever.
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valefor wrote:
zadsterboombox wrote:
valefor wrote:
zadsterboombox wrote:
valefor wrote:
zadsterboombox wrote:
valefor wrote:
Astaroth wrote:
I still can't see how saving our ass back then should justify your government who acts like assholes now to make their ends meet.

If i save my neighbour and the next day began to steal and killing in the neightbourhood, i can't just say to the complaining neighbour, i saved the day before, that he shouldn't be complaining since i saved his ass.


How are we in your neighborhood?
Who are stealing from and killing in your neighborhood?
V.


As I see the whole debate, US views on the Iraq war are so different from European ones b/c of 9/11. Europe sees America as starting fights, the recent attacks in London probably took UK further from Europe and more towards US. Attacks on European locations would probably bring US and Europe closer, just like it did w/ Chirac and Blair despite the cvnt making stupid jokes about our agriculture and food. Who's got the Olympics now, Froggo? :twisted:

To repeat what I said before (kind of) : haters shouldn't be hated, but pitied.


Or heres a scenario:
The Russians re-arm, a dictator is elected, and decides to expand westward... not likely, but it is entirely possible...
do you think Europe is in any condition to stop them?
Even in the event of a nuclear exchange, Russia would win, hands down.
You can bet your ass that the leaders of Europe will be calling the White House asking for help.
And don't give me that "Europe can defend herself" BS, we all know how that went.
V.


If US is such a world superpower, why isn't N. Korea being sorted out? Because of fear of another Vietnam, what is happening in Iraq. I think the combined European armies could stop a Russian attack, and I think the Nuclear age is over now as well. Nowadays we have to worry not so much about countries invading each other but terrorist attacks that could be too devastating even for US to recover from, eg chemical, germ warfare, even these electro-magnetic pulse things that crop up all the time.


Well N. Korea is a complicated issue... they are not really a direct threat to us, but Japan, S. Korea would be hurt very badly by a U.S. invasion.
Another war on the Korean Peninsula, potentially nuclear, would obviously be disastrous.
And yes, Iraq was a huge mistake...
though I do not think the combined European armies could stop a Russian attack... they could not stop the Germans and the Russians are way stronger than the Germans were.
V.


Of course, the fact that World War II was over fifty years ago means nothing. European armies have become much stronger in the years since. And I think the power of the Russian army is much overrated.

A foe that would devastate the US is China, who have become very strong in that respect.


Yes China would devastate the U.S., but the U.S. would also devastate China... I con;t see the point you are trying to make.
Note: the U.s. spends more on its miklitary than the rest of the world combined, by far... keep in mind our troops ate overstretched due to being deployed around the globe, not because our military is weak. That can, and should be remedied. Merely bring them home, ready to be deployed as needed.
The world has never seen an army like ours... and while China gets stronger, so does the U.S. so China will never be a direct threat to America, unless a lunatic takes command.
Don't think for a minute that we are goiong to stop military spending, ever.
V.


That's the curse of being a superpower, the arms race. In truth, there are far more annoying people around than Americans, they are an amazingly easy target.


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I'm sure I speak for everyone on the Europe side when I say that when I meet an American, for example, they gain or lose my respect in exactly the same way as anyone else would.

Globally however, as you are aware, with great power comes great responsibility, and subsequently I believe it is the rest of the world's duty to act as a counterweight to the USA, which is currently powerful beyond all proportion. And at the moment there are many, many issues where I believe the USA is not contributing enough to the global community as a whole.

For example, it frustrates me that, just as Tony Blair is beginning to make a positive impact on the world, (at last), by pushing for lowered carbon dioxide levels and agricultural subsidies, it seems that Bush is dragging his heels, saying that he'll only do something if it's in the interest of the US economy. Guess what though, Dubya! This isn't in the interest of any of the G8's economies, but sometimes you just have to do whats right regardless. This is an example of where the generalisation that Americans are self-centered comes from. However, senseless America bashing is vastly more damaging, because what we should be doing is entering a constructive debate about how we could cooperate to help the third world out.

It saddens me that this thread has become ANOTHER debate about the US. In my opinion, national socialism is a huge spectre within the metal community, more so than any other music, but we cannot seem to discuss it without getting sidetracked in the manner illustrated above. :x


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I'm sure I speak for everyone on the Europe side when I say that when I meet an American, for example, they gain or lose my respect in exactly the same way as anyone else would.



Of course.


The trouble with both issues is that there is no real solution. What can we do, ban NSBM?


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Listen to this all you douchebags
It's time that we laid down the law
We're tired of taking your shit
And we ain't gonna take it no more
Be prepared to fight and die
So that wr may be free
And if you don't like it here
Then packs your shit and leave
Our forefathers died in war
So that you could live better
We at least owr it to them
To keep the stars and stripes forever
Planting bombs on planes
Blowing up our ships
Hill our kids and women
Find this dickless slobs
Hang them by the scrotum
Lets and the terrorism
You think yourself a God
Would follow to the death
A spineless yellow faggot
A bunoh of stiking slobs
Hiding behind masks
Show yourself 'ya maggot
United we stand
Divided we fall
And that's the way it's gonna be
Don't ever for liberty
All the bullshit countries
Who think they'll beat the giant
World peace on upheaval
Wr'll nuke'em to the stoneage
Send the message clear
'Ya don't fuck with the eagle


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U.S.A. For U.S.A. by Carnivore

Listen to this all you douchebags
It's time that we laid down the law
We're tired of taking your shit
And we ain't gonna take it no more
Be prepared to fight and die
So that wr may be free
And if you don't like it here
Then packs your shit and leave
Our forefathers died in war
So that you could live better
We at least owr it to them
To keep the stars and stripes forever
Planting bombs on planes
Blowing up our ships
Hill our kids and women
Find this dickless slobs
Hang them by the scrotum
Lets and the terrorism
You think yourself a God
Would follow to the death
A spineless yellow faggot
A bunoh of stiking slobs
Hiding behind masks
Show yourself 'ya maggot
United we stand
Divided we fall
And that's the way it's gonna be
Don't ever for liberty
All the bullshit countries
Who think they'll beat the giant
World peace on upheaval
Wr'll nuke'em to the stoneage
Send the message clear
'Ya don't fuck with the eagle


And your point is...? :roll:


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zadsterboombox wrote:
rio wrote:
I'm sure I speak for everyone on the Europe side when I say that when I meet an American, for example, they gain or lose my respect in exactly the same way as anyone else would.



Of course.


The trouble with both issues is that there is no real solution. What can we do, ban NSBM?


No indeed we cannot. this goes back to what I said about thinking Nazi's deserved to die, but my belief in free speech means I it would be very, very wrong to kill them!

Best just to argue with them, and hope they never get any power.


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A bomb hits the city all life instantly vaporized
but I'm not so fortunate burning right before my eyes
stumbling I trip over pieces of descending flesh
leaving a pile of smoldering humanoid mess
radiation
coming in waves
leading me to
a nuclear grave

Are you ready
will you be
will you fight WW III
are you ready
are you sure
will you fight WW IV

Humanity somehow stood up on its mutated feet
reeling with pride man just would not accept his defeat
into the missiles deadly disease and poison gas
launching them off terracidal journey kills the last
vomiting blood
I choke on my tongue
the gas from above is filling my lungs

Silence and darkness the species of man is extinct
the boiling oceans into which the continents sink
gravity gone the moon collides with a dead earth
flaming world out of orbit flying into deep space
prey for your death
if you survive
you'll die in pain
in world war V


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U.S.A. For U.S.A. by Carnivore

Listen to this all you douchebags
It's time that we laid down the law
We're tired of taking your shit
And we ain't gonna take it no more
Be prepared to fight and die
So that wr may be free
And if you don't like it here
Then packs your shit and leave
Our forefathers died in war
So that you could live better
We at least owr it to them
To keep the stars and stripes forever
Planting bombs on planes
Blowing up our ships
Hill our kids and women
Find this dickless slobs
Hang them by the scrotum
Lets and the terrorism
You think yourself a God
Would follow to the death
A spineless yellow faggot
A bunoh of stiking slobs
Hiding behind masks
Show yourself 'ya maggot
United we stand
Divided we fall
And that's the way it's gonna be
Don't ever for liberty
All the bullshit countries
Who think they'll beat the giant
World peace on upheaval
Wr'll nuke'em to the stoneage
Send the message clear
'Ya don't fuck with the eagle


And your point is...? :roll:


Who said I had a point? :lol:


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I've stated before that I support socialism, but not communism. Communism does not work because 99 out of 100 times the leaders get power hungry. I simple believe that communism is better than American-like capitalism in very poor countries. Less people would suffer.


Make that 100 of 100. But that's human nature. To get power hungry. All leaders are power hungry, everywhere. The difference is in the system. In democracy, they need to go after a while. In communism, they can stay forever. So, they do.

Less people suffer? It's not true. People always suffer from lack of human rights and liberties, and that's what they get in Cuba or other similar regimes. To say they don't suffer because of this is regarding them like animals.

As for the economic aspect, in long term more people will suffer. Actually, as the country gets poorer and poorer, all people get to suffer, except for party leaders. Communism is a highly inefficient management system, and it's no accident that communist countries were always poorer and less developed than the democratic ones. According to a reputed french economist (whose name eludes me right now), a country emerges from communism some 50 years behind the economic/development status it had when it had entered, and based on my country's experience I can tell you that man knew what he was saying. Pure communism leads to poverty and stagnation (or rather, regression), by its very nature.

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There's no freedom in any country in the world because freedom simply does not work. The best leadership for a country is one that takes care of all of its people as best as it can without hurting other countries. That whole freedom crap is American propaganda bullshit (and I feel I should mention that North America has the highest depression rate in the world).


What you just said about freedom is very shocking to me. I just guess an old truth is just as valid in this case: people really need to be deprived of something in order for them to finally be able to apreciate it, supposing they ever get it back. The fact that many people in Western Europe or North America don't realise what freedom they enjoy, or don't appreciate it, it's a clear indication of that truth to me.

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If capitalism was introduced in Cuba, many more people would starve and die. Communism isn't the best, but for Cuba, it's better than capitalism. Fidel has a much better track record than most communist leaders.


This is so untrue. If capitalism were introduced to Cuba, it would have the same effects it had on ex-communists countries from Europe. It would be a very difficult period, indeed, but after that things would begin to be much better. It's called transition, and if it's done right, it leads to very good things, even if it's lengthy. Examples? Take a look at Poland or Hungary. Or even Bulgary or Romania, for that matter.

To say Fidel has a better record than other communist dictators is like sniffing several turds trying to determine which one stinks less. Regardless of their odour capacity, in the end the truth is the same: they're all turds.

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And keep this in mind, America may not be responsible for killing many of its own people... in the last centaury anyway, but they kill a hell of a lot more people from other countries than any other nation in the world.

Sure, Saddam was an ass, but here's a lovely statistic: An Iraqi civilian is 58 times more likely to die a violent death today than she or he was before the U.S. invasion.


Whatever mistakes US (or any other democratic countries, for that matter) do, it still doesn't mean that communism and dictatorships are better, just by contrast. An objective comparison, in whatever aspect, will always show a convincing advantage for the democratic countries.


Cuba would not prosper with capitalism, it would become like fucking Haiti. If the rest of the world were to live by North American standards, the resources of three Earths would be required, so unless the richer countries out there want to give up some of their wealth, some countries are going to need socialism.

Haiti is a perfect example of what capitalism does to a poor country. Less than 2% of the Haiti population controls almost all of the wealth. 90% of the people in Haiti live in shacks with no electricity or running water.

My friend has been there, and he's told me about the countless homeless and diseased children fending for themselves on the street--or the fields of mounds (unmarked graveyards).

So if I had to choose between freedom of speech or food and shelter, you bet your fucking ass I'd choose the latter.


Well, I don't know much about Haiti. What I do know, from what I read on the net, is that they were never communists, and that they had a long history of bloody dictatorships and political unrest, which is probably the main cause for their bad situation.

But why do you think communism guarantees food and shelter? Do you know anything about Albany, for example? Under communism, they became so poor that there were regions where people began to eat newspapers soaked in water. Sounds unbelievable, but it's true. They didn't have trains and railroads. They didn't have public transportation of any kind inside their cities, not even in Tirana. They didn't have cars (except for party leaders). They didn't have anything at all. How's that for communism induced poverty?

All the Eastern Europe ex-communist countries are, economicaly, way behind Western Europe, because of the years of communism. And they were not behind in '45, when they fell under soviet influence. Now, after transition to capitalism, they are catching up. It's a slow process, but it's happening. With the help of the European Union. Why are you so convinced that Cuba wouldn't be able to sustain such a process, especially if they were to be aided by US or someone else?

You insist on food and shelter versus human rights, but, in the long run, communism leads also to poverty, because it's inefficient. The lack of private property and private enterprises and the lack of free market economy, which are characteristics of communist economies, lead to economic decline. Economicaly, communism failed everywhere in this world, except maybe China, and there it was succesfull only after they decided to implement economic liberalization policies, back in the late 70's.


You need to understand that not every country can be successful like that--when I said that if every country were to live by North American standards, the resources of three Earths would be required, I was being very literal. That is the case. Resources are not just going to pop out of thin air--we only have what we have, and thus some countries need to be poor. So the issue is, what is the best way to handle their poverty.

Now I know communism goes awry far too often, but it still works better than capitalism in poor countries very often. The fact is, capitalism CANNOT work in the poor countries in South America--that's what Che Guevara was fighting for in the 50s and 60s. There's a big difference between a country in Europe and one in South America.

As I've said on many occasions, I support a democratic socialism in those poor countries, but I simply believe that communism would still be favourable over capitalism in most South American countries.


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How did it feel being outdebated by a nazi, hippie boy ?


Kathaarian, let me ask you this. Why did you put "I love it"..? (if indeed you did) Is it because you value your own culture? Because you class yourself as a Nationalist? If so then I suggest to you that
you think a bit harder and realise that to describe these views as being "NS" is really factually very inaccurate, and in fact offensive to other nationalists who want nothing to do with Nazism. If on the other hand, you did it because you are genuinely are a Nazi, then there's really very little point entering into a debate about it. I believe Nazi's DESERVE a bullet in the head, but believe it would be wrong to do so. However, there are quite a few that would not add the latter half of that sentence.


Hmmmm... Am I a Nazi? Nazis place their own people above all others and think that all the others deserve a bullet in the head. Do I ? No, definitely not. I'm not an idiot. I'm not a nazi.

But my expressions of national pride has been described as nazism by a lot of people in these forums. So I say " Fuck you, if loving your own people who you share the same destiny is being a nazi then I'm the biggest nazi in the world."

I'm a nationalist, a patriot who wouldn't think for a second before entering a war or killing someone else or myself if it would help my country in some way. It's what I owe to my fathers, my ancestors. It's the least I can do for the people who have shed their blood on the soil that I live on just because their sons, me , can live on it.


Why did I vote for " I love it , the message too" ? I love it because they make kick-ass music. And as I stated before I agree with some of the points mentioned in this musical genre (not all, in fact I disagree with some of it) . I think the people who make this music are just nationalists just like me. So I feel related to them. I see their point.


If all this makes me a Nazi then kill me now because I intend to be one all my life. But if not, don't call me a Nazi because I don't intend on doing a frag-fest in any of your neighbourhoods. Even if I dislike some people in general (ex: Kurds and Hippies).


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Jaden wrote:
You need to understand that not every country can be successful like that--when I said that if every country were to live by North American standards, the resources of three Earths would be required, I was being very literal. That is the case. Resources are not just going to pop out of thin air--we only have what we have, and thus some countries need to be poor. So the issue is, what is the best way to handle their poverty.

Now I know communism goes awry far too often, but it still works better than capitalism in poor countries very often. The fact is, capitalism CANNOT work in the poor countries in South America--that's what Che Guevara was fighting for in the 50s and 60s. There's a big difference between a country in Europe and one in South America.

As I've said on many occasions, I support a democratic socialism in those poor countries, but I simply believe that communism would still be favourable over capitalism in most South American countries.


So basicaly you're saying that communism can be better than capitalism for some poor countries, and I don't seem to be able to convince you otherwise. On the other hand, I lived in communism, I know first hand what it's like, and my country is very poor, even if it's not in South America (try living on a monthly salary that's less than 200 US dollars in a country where phone tariffs and computer/other electronics prices are higher than in Canada, or some food and farmaceutical products are more expensive than in Germany), and I still say communism is never better than a democracy, and you can't convince me otherwise either, because of my memories of communism. So let's leave it to that.


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Jaden wrote:
You need to understand that not every country can be successful like that--when I said that if every country were to live by North American standards, the resources of three Earths would be required, I was being very literal. That is the case. Resources are not just going to pop out of thin air--we only have what we have, and thus some countries need to be poor. So the issue is, what is the best way to handle their poverty.

Now I know communism goes awry far too often, but it still works better than capitalism in poor countries very often. The fact is, capitalism CANNOT work in the poor countries in South America--that's what Che Guevara was fighting for in the 50s and 60s. There's a big difference between a country in Europe and one in South America.

As I've said on many occasions, I support a democratic socialism in those poor countries, but I simply believe that communism would still be favourable over capitalism in most South American countries.


So basicaly you're saying that communism can be better than capitalism for some poor countries, and I don't seem to be able to convince you otherwise. On the other hand, I lived in communism, I know first hand what it's like, and my country is very poor, even if it's not in South America (try living on a monthly salary that's less than 200 US dollars in a country where phone tariffs and computer/other electronics prices are higher than in Canada, or some food and farmaceutical products are more expensive than in Germany), and I still say communism is never better than a democracy, and you can't convince me otherwise either, because of my memories of communism. So let's leave it to that.


You lived in one communist country, and your experience only speaks for that one country. You also have not lived in places like Haiti that were ruined my capitalism.

Well, neither have I, but I'm not using that in my arguments now am I.


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Kathaarian wrote:
Hmmmm... Am I a Nazi? Nazis place their own people above all others and think that all the others deserve a bullet in the head. Do I ? No, definitely not. I'm not an idiot. I'm not a nazi.

But my expressions of national pride has been described as nazism by a lot of people in these forums. So I say " Fuck you, if loving your own people who you share the same destiny is being a nazi then I'm the biggest nazi in the world."

I'm a nationalist, a patriot who wouldn't think for a second before entering a war or killing someone else or myself if it would help my country in some way. It's what I owe to my fathers, my ancestors. It's the least I can do for the people who have shed their blood on the soil that I live on just because their sons, me , can live on it.


Why did I vote for " I love it , the message too" ? I love it because they make kick-ass music. And as I stated before I agree with some of the points mentioned in this musical genre (not all, in fact I disagree with some of it) . I think the people who make this music are just nationalists just like me. So I feel related to them. I see their point.


If all this makes me a Nazi thenkill me now because I intend to be one all my life. But if not, don't call me a Nazi because I don't intend on doing a frag-fest in any of your neighbourhoods. Even if I dislike some people in general (ex: Kurds and Hippies).


I repeat: having pride in your country and loving the people within it does not make you a Nazi, it makes you a nationalist, and there's nothing wrong with being a nationalist.

Saying shit like: Jewish people are the most racist people known to man. So they were killed by their own poison. I don't care about the holocaust. Sure it's terrible , boo-hoo get over it, it's fucking war , it happens , it happened before and it will happen later. They're killing Palestinians every day. They're the sole reason that the middle east is in unrest. They control the business world and push their agenda is what makes you a racist.


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