Metal Reviews

Sure I can. I can give you dozens of examples of dictators that caused all kind of things to their people, from genocide to economic collapse and hunger. How many "enlightened" dictators can you list, so you can back yours? Dictators that did good for their people, without killing anyone in the process, and without depriving them of their rights?
I'm pretty sure you can't list them, because no such thing exists. It's simple: in order to instaurate a dictatorship, you need to take rights away from the people. It cannot be done otherwise, and that's already a crime. In addition, you will need to have a system of terror that will take care of people when they become discontent with your ruling, because you can't really resign or organise fair elections in order for them to elect someone else, can you? What you will end up doind is setting up an institution, some type of "special police" that will kill the most dangerous oposants, imprison or deport the others. In case of a mass movement, you will simply let the army handle the demonstrants. Tanks and machine guns are almost always the ideal solution. That's a pretty standard profile for modern dictators, what's so good about them?



Maybe I'm not an expert, but I'm knowledgeable. Communist regimes are not that different one from each other. Neither are communists dictators, or dictators in generally. The fact that I lived the first 15 years of my life in a communist regime, under a communist dictator (a very good friend of Fidel's, btw) in a latin country, gives me some very good perspective on how things are in Cuba. I know all about the risk of "disapearing" if you somehow oppose the dictator, I know all about going to jail because someone who didn't like you informed the authorities about your lack of sympathy for the regime propaganda (even if it's not true). I know about being always careful about what you''re saying and to whom, I know about having little or no rights, and mostly I know a lot about fear. I also know these things are something you really need to experience in order to fuly understand them, so I'm trying not to get upset when someone says what you said about Castro. Though I don't always succeed, because it's too personal.
You're saying that socialism is needed in Cuba because it's a poor country. I'm under the impression you're confusing the notions of socialism and communism. Communism is definitely not needed anywhere.



I'm under that impression again. Remeber: 1. I said nothing against socialism; 2. There's no socialism in Cuba.



I don't, as far as democratic societies are concerned, where there is a change to power. I do, when I'm talking about countries that have had endured the same dictator for some 40 years.

This is becomming a very interesting topic. I really enjoy strong points from both sides.

THis is hilarious. By just one post you have managed to call me a racist, closed minded, anti social , full of hate and suggested suicide. Well done, you have read into my soul. Jackass. I don't know how you got the impression that you know me, probably you are just another closed-minded idiot who thinks that every nationalist is a skinhead punk with a ss tatoo on his chest, singing "nigger's blood" all day. Well guess what genious, you are wrong.

I am actually a very social person and my thoughts have been accepted, at least respected by many people. At least the ones who aren't living in their happy little paradise, hoping for a better world just thinking peaceful thoughts will do enough, but do nothing about it.

I just told you the truth that I know. If you are going to take it personally and keep insulting me , fuck off. I don't care.
But don't pretend that you know me cause you are not even aware of the world that you live in.


One small step for the idiot with his thumb up his ass, another hippie dies, still no one gives a shit.

:shock:

OK, trying to say what DM was saying: Jews do not 'control the business world'. So some Jews have high positions, big deal, so do some Buddhists, do we accuse the Buddhists of trying to take over the world?

Jews are different from Israelis. I'm not going to restart the whole israel debate because it's been done before, but to say Jews as a race are wiping out the Palestinians is wrong.

What you said came out very harshly, which is probably why DM reacted the way he did.

Well, I'm Jewish and I'm eating ramen for dinner tonight. Where the hell' s my share of the Jewish Conspiracy money?




















(Here's a clue: there is none.)

the 'fact' that Jews control the business world is an old stereotype but almost no one is tolerating that Isreali's( yes, i's not the same as Jews but for fucks sake, almost the whole Israelian community is Jewish) is butchering Palistinians. And yes, the Palistinians commit some crual revenge but Sharon and his goverment aren't really helping with that wall. The same wall which reminds me of the wall in Berlin. Ironic isn't it?

Kathaarian
You are Turkish and by extension from a Muslim background? In Turkey is a hatred for the Jews prevalent?

I think before totally condemning a person and lobbing huge insults both ways more could be understood about why Kathaarian has resentment for the Jews.

Heck, if one person lived on Long Island, NY they might have a very different opinion of Jews then if they lived in say, Poland.

Apparently "mein kampf" keeps getting new print runs in Turkey because it keeps selling out.

reading Mein Kampf doesn't necessarily mean being a nazi-head... I like to know my enemies thus I can prepare the weapons to destroy them before they destroy me... :roll: and, well, all information is worth in that case... :twisted:

*rubs eyes* Behold! Someone who can grasp this oh so difficult and "inane" concept! :shock:



Well stated. It's true in most cases that the typical multiculturalist is most definetely not aware of the world around them.



On the surface, that is how it appears. However, my questioning of "right" and "wrong", has more to do with the fact that I believe that they are subjective and rely on a number of factors. For the sake of this discussion, one example I'll use is how we all, as individuals, perceive NS/Nazism, nationalism etc. The majority of those who replied to this topic see the above as ideologies that bring about hatred; ie: that hatred is what binds the ideology. However, I could argue that these ideologies do not bring about hatred, but bring about love, and is bound by love for one's people, land and culture. This reminds me of, imo, a relevent quote: "That which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil" - Nietzsche. So what are expressions of love, hatred, right, wrong etc. I think it's terribly important to understand why a person thinks the way they do, instead of simply writing them off as silly, stupid, uneducated, or not belonging "anywhere", as metalhead implied. Although it may seem differently to others, to me this idea doesn't have much to do with respecting others, but bettering yourself intellectually. Who are you if you can't even try to understand the "moron" you're arguing with?

In that light, I'd also like to bring up the point that the nature of National Socialism has changed in the eyes of its supporters since the Third Reich. Hitler used National Socialism as a vessel to power, and in that sense I'd argue that the man himself was not the fanatical anti-semetic he claimed to be. In my eyes, he was an extremely intelligent politician who used the cultural climate of his time to rise into power. What many people do not know, is the number of Jewish officers and soldiers throughout the divisions of the SS (not simply in Germany but in Finland among other nations). People also typically see the NSDP as a one-headed operation when it was not. Nearing the end of the war the Party and it's power had grown so large, that to claim Hitler as sole influencer, and responsible for all is like saying George W. Bush is responsible for the war in Iraq (come on, we all know Daddy's role in all this ). One politician cannot move an entire nation into action...a "poster boy" can influence it. Partly because of all the flaws found in Nazi policies, National Socialism today is not always equatable to holocaust related events. In a number of cases it is upheld by people who, although seeing the flaws in earlier implementation, are searching for a form of politic or ideology to aid them in preserving their culture that is slowly being overrun. So I think when we talk about NSBM, it has to be understood that the National Socialism or simply nationalism implied by certain groups is not necessarily that of the 1940's. Today in many cases it implies a struggle for cultural preservation.

As far as I'm concerned, their concerns for cultural preservation are well-founded. All over Western Europe and North America today there are overwhelming examples of crimes directed at Indo-Europeans and Indo-European culture. Just recently in Canada we've had a number of admited hoaxs presented by mostly Muslim children claiming to have been attacked by "white supremacist assailants". One of them injured himself and cut his own hair claiming that "neo-nazis" had done it. Meanwhile in the States, Scandinavia and the Netherlands there are numerous black or arab gang attacks invocking anti-European remarks which result in injuring or killing people of European descent. In Canada, the ex- head of the Jewish Canadian Congress, now our Minister of Justice, lobied to have all German and Ukrainian Canadians deported on the basis of "holocaust affiliations". When you attack a people's culture, a stronger attempt to unify their own people is not to be unexpected. Why does one culture deserve to thrive while another stabbed in the back and left to die. It all depends on whose perspective you take. Yet so many people seem to get far more enraged by the vandalisms of 15 year old neo-nazis, than they do black supremacists charging a schoolyard ranting about Martin Luther King Jr. and beating up 10 year old white girls.



Actually, a large number of Jews do hold high economic and socio-political positions. Besides the fact that they pretty much own Hollywood, here are a number of prominent Jews behind many positions I'm sure you'll recognise

William Fox (Fox Film Corporation; 20th Century-Fox)
Michael Eisner (Paramount Pictures; Disney Studios)
Robert Evans (Paramount Pictures)
David Geffen (Warner Brothers; DreamWorks SKG)
Calvin Klein, US fashion designer, CK
Donna Karan, US fashion designer, DKNY
Levi Strauss, US "Father of Jeans"
Sergey Brin Russian-born US co-founder of Google
Jack Cohen, British businessman, founder of Tesco supermarkets
Mark Cuban, US billionaire owner of Dallas Mavericks
Michael Dell, US founder of Dell Inc.
Alan Greenspan, US economist, chairman of the US Federal Reserve
Andrew Grove, Hungarian-born US co-founder of Intel
Moses Haim Montefiore, English financier and Zionist
Harry Oppenheimer, South African diamond and gold mines billionare, (became Christian)
William Rosenberg, US founder of Dunkin Donuts
Ted Turner, Founder of CNN
Paul Warburg, US banker, Federal Reserve founder and board member
Rosalie Abella, Canadian Supreme Court Justice
Louis Brandeis, US Supreme Court Justice
Stephen G. Breyer, US Supreme Court Justice
Benjamin N. Cardozo, US Supreme Court Justice
Arthur Chaskalson, Chief Justice of the Republic of South Africa
Abe Fortas, US Supreme Court Justice
Felix Frankfurter, US Supreme Court Justice
Ruth Bader Ginsburg, US Supreme Court Justice
Arthur J. Goldberg, US Supreme Court Justice
Richard Goldstone, South African judge, international war crimes prosecutor

etc. etc....not to hard to find if you look it up and compile.

Buddhists are not at the head of large corporations in the West...



And the Jews are doing an "excellent" job of milking it for all it's worth. Hm...I wonder why no one ever mentions the Ottoman genocide of the Pontic Greeks which occured only some 20 years before the Holocaust and lasted approximately 23 years :roll:

No, it isn't prevalent. It's non-existant. It's just my opinion. And about the muslim background that's also non-existant. I'm totally a mixture of Austrian , Russian , Turkish... I wasn't raised with a certain religion. I'm an atheist as most of my family are.

Resentment? Let's say dislike. My dislike against them isn't based on a certain political idea. It's just about the things I've seen and things I've read.

As far as I know Turkey has never had any problems with Israel. Except for a certain incident where the Jews tried to buy a big part of south eastern Anatolia, which was harshy rejected by the Emperor and turned into a joke.

You mean the 1.5 million Armenians , 750000 Asyrians and 350000 Pontic greeks. Which are exaggarated numbers to a funny level. This is an excerpt from a site "The war between the ALLIES and the Turks were over, resulting in a death of 1.5 million....."

The war between Allies and Turkey. I wonder what their plans were if we bent over instead of fight back. Genocide maybe? And how many Turks did die during the time? You kill people who stab you in the back during war to drive them back and out and it's genocide. The Holocaust is genocide. This is not.

Only the Armenian part is talked about because Armenians are strong in USA, so are the Jews.

Lies... lies.

Turkish nationalism and patriotism is awakening. It scares people. So there was a propoganda that mein kampf was selling out. Which was not until the people thought that it did. Any advertisement is good advertisement. Every publisher started printing them out like crazy. So it started selling.

Nobody's denying that a bunch of Jews hold high positions, proportionally more than many other cultural groups. Saying that 'Jews control the buisness world' is the sort of ignorant crap that people speak out against.

It's basically saying that they all have the same agenda, and they all conspirate to do what they feel like. Which is bullshit, really.


As for genocides in general? They all should be addressed. I would want monuments to the massacred Neanderthals that died at the hands of Cro-Magnon man before the Neolithic age even began, all the way up to the current genocide in Darfur. Everyone has to feel guilty about every genocide, forever. Maybe then there won't be yet another one to chalk up as 'that thing that happens every ten years.'

The Holocaust got the most lasting attention because it featured white people, not because the buisness-savvy Jews exploited their own nigh-annihilation for gain.



I think that anyone who judges a whole race of people and basically says 'they deserved to get one-third of them wiped out' is a racist. I don't think anyone who is a nationalist is a racist.

Obviously.

And that's one of the reasons the USA has such a gap between rich and poor - many of the poor think life in the USA is so great because they have all this 'freedom' and so they continually vote in governments that don't give a shit about them. Actually, the Democrats don't give a shit about the poor, either, so in effect their freedom is worthless.

I think the critical aspect of Anti-Semtism is the tendency for Jews to be portrayed as a rich, powerful people that only cares about themselves. People hate rich, powerful people. Sure, there are a lot of rich powerful Jews, but most Jews are powerless poor saps like the rest of us. Rich, powerful people should be the enemy, not any particular race, religion or creed.

The neoliberalim conservative agenda is why we make less money than we should, and why the CEOs are grossly overcompensated, and why 3rd world economies have been devastated, forcing mass immigration.

That's definitely the main reason. Others are: it's still rather close in time (unlike the native americans genocide), it's one of the biggest in terms of number of people killed and, most of all, the organised manner in which it was conducted. Most genocides were simple massacres, or populations being left to starve, this kind of things. To create an ideology that promotes the extinction of a nation, to transport people by trains to gas chambers, in a very organised manner, to have, in the 20th century, personel specially qualified for extermination, all these and other details make it, to me, the most fascinating (in a horrific sort of way, obiously) genocide ever.
What's equally fascinating is the fact that, even to this day, there are supporters (some of them educated people) of this. On these forums too, I'm afraid.

I dunno, if you want to talk fascinating, I have to go with the sheer scale of Rwanda.

A million people in four months. Had it gone on for as long as the Holocaust had, the Hutus would have killed nearly all of the Tutsis.

It's amazing, in an incredibly sick and disgusting way.

EDIT- thanks for the correction.

It was the Hutus that killed the Tutsis.
Yes, that's a fascinating case as well. One striking horrible thing in the rwandan genocide, for me, is the way they were abandoned to death by the UN.
The rwandan genocide was very cruel, but it had nothing of the premeditation of the nazis, or their methods, attitude and organisation, and that's what fascinate most people about the 3rd reich, I think.

When will people stop looking at what people believe, and focus on how and why? When will people look at different persons as different persons, all with the potential to spend a time with that raises the quality of life? Bias is a contradiction. When does generalisation have positive effect? If it's possitive? No, not even then.