Sceadugenga wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
Sceadugenga wrote:
All that said, while I don't consider myself to be a feminist
You don't consider women equal to men?
Feminism/being a feminist goes beyond simply considering all genders as equal. For me and what I've experienced in certain circles, it goes beyond that and gets entrenched into a lot of idiotic gender politics that keeps trying to gatekeep as far as what is acceptable behaviour, beliefs, attitudes etc. among said circles.
Hmmm I see what you're saying but I don't see any reason to see labeling yourself as a feminist simply because a lot of feminists suck. I'm all about reappropriating labels.
I think the importance of labeling yourself as a feminist is important insofar as it emphasizes the fact that women deserve that respect. You have the aforementioned leftists talking about liberating humanity from capitalism or oppressive states as they oppress their wives and daughters through bigotry. Self-labeling as a feminist simply emphasizes that we aren't a homogenous group and campaigning for all is not equal to campaigning for particular groups who may have it worse off than others.
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To make it short, I disagree with the legacy of certain aspects of second wave feminism in our current age. While the writings of Donna Haraway and Simone de Beauvoir among others were definitely ideas I received well, radical feminism has always found a way to leak into both second wave feminism and, by extension, modern day feminism. As such, many who are not white and/or upper middle class and/or heterosexual were and continue to be either left out of it entirely or shunned by many feminists. While on the surface it's about ideas of equality, beneath there is a heck of a lot of ugly politics that seeks to help or recognise only certain people, or in many respects seeing these people actually fight to maintain what I see as an inadequate gender binary. Of course, there are feminists who aren't like this, but it's hardly worth the trouble to label one's self a "feminist" these days when in some respects sexism becomes an aspect of how some relate to gender equality within spheres where feminist ideology is still prominent or recognised to a greater degree than in mainstream society.
Things are improving, but I see absolutely no reason to take on the label "feminist." When I consider any issue regarding equal rights (not just among men and women, but among all people) I do it as a human being, not a "this" or a "that." Instead, I would prefer to stop isolating and focus on the rights of all people.
That would be the short of it without getting into the specifics here.
Hmmm. This is intriguing because Haraway is my quintessential radical feminist. I guess the label, for me, just to clarify, would be third wave feminism which emphasizes color or queerness, like Butler or Hill Collins. I'm a heterosexual white male and I've generally been well-received. I feel like if there is a target it's me and I just haven't had experiences like that. I'm sorry. I'm really into writing about race and gender, queerness less so but I may get into it.
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traptunderice wrote:
I generally approve of what is being said here. I'm now confused how what I said a week ago about that women in metal article is different, leading me to be labeled holier than thou.
Now I'm confused. I think I missed that. Care to link me?
http://www.metalreviews.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=381462#381462
