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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:20 pm 
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@ Astaroth
Ja, jeg havde allerede prøvet at kikke på Ancient Darkness men der var der hverken Ulver, Drudkh, eller Burzum (eller jo, LP'er, men det gider jeg ikke).
På Redstream var Ulver og Drudkh udsolgt, og Burzum kostede 17$ hvorved jeg så ville kunne få det billigere på diehardmetalshop.dk til 130kr.
No Colours havde heller ikke noget.
Så det ser ud som om jeg må købe Drudkh fra diehardmetalshop.dk og Ulver og Burzum fra musicmadness.dk... Har du nogen erfaringer med musicmadness.dk?


Du kan få Drudkh hos www.supernalmusic.com (i England) til ca. 10 pund, så der er en besparelse, men den er ikke stor. Specielt ikke hvis du ikke køber mere, da portoen jo også koster noget. De leverer til gengæld hurtigt og tager VISA. Du kan få Ulver og Burzum i pladebutikker på gaden. Selv Fona 2000 o.lign. har dem.

Mht. hvilke Drudkh og Burzum plader du skal gå efter, vil jeg anbefale Autumn Aurora eller deres nye Blood in Our Wells hvad angår Drudkh og Hvis lyset tar oss (som er det hele værd for den første sang alene) for Burzum.


okay :lol: sikke noet pis at de distroer jeg angav ikke havde lortet.. har ik nogen erfaring med musicmadness.dk...
men du kan prøve det som EisenFaust sagde... både distro og albums

du kan oss prøve denne side http://www.dis-order.com/search/ .. de har både drudkh og ulver til omkring de 100 kr. Ikke ligeså billigt som fra USA da siden er hollansk, men bedre end ingenting, har selv brugt dem et par gange


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:28 pm 
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@ Jürgen
I see music as something that always tries to be emotional, but wether it work or not depends on the individual listener and that individual persons psyke since the same thing may affect different persons differently. So the fact that Marduk and Dark Funeral succeds in giving us an emotion or an atmosphere simply means that we posses the required psyke for interpreting the sonic expression of those bands, which Kathaarian does not. And so, the other way around, Kathaarians psyke may work for interpreting other bands expression which ours do not.
Talking of the aesthetics of music, it is also weird in the first place that certain vibrations in the air is capable of triggering emotions (chemicals in the brain) in one human and not in the other. In the Darwin-aspect it is also strange that human hearing and psyke has developed the ability to be emotionally affected by vibrations in air.
That could explain why certain types of music comes from certain countries since the natural selection has been different in, for example, Scandinavia and Africa (since the qualities that were required to survive in Scandinavia was quite different than the qualities that were required to survive in Africa). It is also remarkable that there is a general connection between cold nothern places and gloomy music. For instance the early Scandinavians descriped the music of the Samis (a nomadic people that lived in the far northern parts of Scandinavia long before the germanic tribes started to settle in southern Denmark and southern Sweden) as being the scariest, darkest and most depressive music ever to be created. And even in modern times do the darkests of musics seem to be related to cold nothern places as seen in Black Metal, for instance, (which also greatly emphasize the cold north in its imagery), or northern folk music (which I think can be the most depressive of all folk music).
So if we are to believe Darwin, the reason for the difference between Jürgens (Finland)/ My (Denmark) trigger of emotion in music and Kathaarians (Turkey) trigger of emotion in music must be found in the difference of the circumstances for the survival of our ancestors.


Certainly an interesting point of view, but if our taste in music is dictated by genetics, how would you explain the fact that i like a lot of blues music, which (while having a great deal of influence from European folk music) is basically black music?

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The question does remain though: Why would the human beast develop the ability to associate emotions with certain vibrations in the air?


Good question. I don't know. But does it really matter? Is it really sensible to look at everything from a scientific angle?


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Ulver - Bergtatt til 89 kr.

Jeg håber forresten ikke, at jeg fik det til at lyde, som om de plader jeg nævnte var dem man SKULLE have. Alt hvad Drudkh har lavet er intet mindre en fantastisk og det meste Burzum ligeså. Melankolien er dog mest udtalt på Hvis...


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The same goes for you as for Eisenfaust, I will save a document with these bands and try to get around to them sometime.
There goes "Bergtatt" again. I really think I will try and buy that especially since I heard the song "Wolf and Fear" today on blackmetalradio.com, and eventhough it is from "Nattens Madrigal" it gave me great confidence in Ulver as the band for me to try out to begin with.

Bergtatt is quite different, much more serene, with higher production values and clean voices.
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What kind of album is "Hvis Lyset Tar Oss"? Is it like the (for me boring) punkish/rock'n'roll black metal of "Lost Wisdom" and "War"? Or is, as I have mentioned, more of the epic captivating black metal ("Jesus' Tod", "Dunkelheit")?

It is the epitome of epic emotional minimalism. Phillip Glass could suck a point to that.
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As the Poets Affirm was actually some quite nice post-rock (a genre I had almost given up) since they actually try to make melodies and not just warp weird sounds into endless soundscapes of monotonity (the same mood going on forever).
This Thy Catafalque, which I am listening to right now (I will get back to you about what tracks I like), is also quite intriguing. They have some very good experiments, but also some that don't work properly in my oppinion. But... this is not black metal, is it? :S

Thy Catafalque is black metal, but it's very experimental and progressive. I can see why Skartasis has a problem with it, he doesn't like progression in black metal, or the other influences the band has. The composer of this music is Tamás Kátai, he has recently released an album under his own name, look in the review database, I did a review on it which contains samples. That album has nothing to do with metal though, but is very very good.

Do you like jazz?


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I cant be fucked to read four pages of recommendations, but in the event no one mentioned some of these for sad and emotional black metal:

Burzum (definitely get Hvis.... and Filosofem)
Windir
Taake
Mystic Forest
Noenum
Ved Buenes Ende
Arcturus (their first album only)
early Behemoth (Sventevith sounds like what you want)
Blut Aus Nord
Drudkh
Isengard (Hostmorke is a great album)
Leviathan/Lurker of Chalice
Nokturnal Mortum (NS i think)
Satyricon
Velvet Cacoon (Genevieve)
Ulver (Bergtatt, Nattens Madrigal and Kveldssanger rule!)
Wolves in the Throne Room
Xasthur

All these are either forest/pagan/nature based or suicidal or abstract, no punky darkthrone shit at all.


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@ Jürgen
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Certainly an interesting point of view, but if our taste in music is dictated by genetics, how would you explain the fact that i like a lot of blues music, which (while having a great deal of influence from European folk music) is basically black music?


Well that could be explained by the fact that since there will always be some common ground for the circumstances for the survival of the african ancestors and the circumstances for the survival of the scandinavian ancestors (farming and hunting skills, physical strength, child raising etc), there will also be some amount of common ground in our genetics and therefore common ground in our culture (for example some music). The fact that you like blues might just be caused by your forefathers having some existential common ground with the african forefathers.
I don't believe that human beings are 100% controlled be genetics (which would be a silly perception of humans, taking to mind all the examples of people being influenced by their upbringing etc.), but that it does indeed have alot to say. Scientist claim to have found the gene that determins your sense of humor, your language skills and much more for example. (And when they can with your taste in humor, why not taste in music?)

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Is it really sensible to look at everything from a scientific angle?


No, not at all. My oppinion: Science does not provide objective absolute truth, just a subjective perception of what the truth might be, just subjective conclusions based on empiri (what we have observed so far). Just induction.
If we were not to look in the sciences we could for example look in the metaphysics of Schopenhauer where music (and art in general) is a manifestation of the grander schemes of the primal omnipresent (actually, all-being) force, the Will (as he calls this force).
Hehe, but I don't know if you (or anybody else) would want to take the metaphysical-philosophical approach.

@ Misha
I know. I have heard that the two records should be pretty different and that you should therefore not buy one because of hearing the other. But anyway the track of "Nattens Madrigal" along with the whole of the "Kveldssanger" album convinced me of Garms supreme sense of melody, emotion and mood, and on that basis I grew steadily more confident that "Bergtatt" weren't likely to be a record I would dislike.
I still don't know between "Filosofem" and "Hvis Lyset Tar Oss" since I usually don't buy a record I haven't heard a single note off. It should be clear by now that I am not exactly the big gambler, hehe.
I have tried listening to those Thy Catafalque songs, and while I did find some good parts here and there, I am quite certain (judging by these tracks) that I wouldn't like a whole record of theirs or find it worth while.
I have to admit that I have never given Jazz a serious try but what I have heard didn't appeal to me. But could you recommend some? (Something that isn't sport-music (my term for music that isn't art but a fine show of the extremities that the human body is capable of)).




I have ordered Drudkh - "Autumn Aurora" and Ulver - "Bergtatt" (and fairly cheap too, thanks to the help provided by my fellow danes). I will probably report back on these records when I have heard them, so we will have some more common ground for finding out what BM I should go after.

I also heard this one song on blackmetalradio.com called "Taken Away by the Torn Black Shroud" by Nehema (episode 96, track 24) which blew me away... Do anybody know this band? And if they do could they recommend some of their albums in particular?
Also the track "Slave Morality" by Zarathustra (episode 94, track 18) really struck a chord with me (though not with ethereality and beauty, but more like Dark Funeral with epic darkness in the form of melodies).
I have also had some good experiences with a band called Kvist and another called Dawn... does anybody own a record of these two bands?


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