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There's no question that you should get the first one. The second one is competent, but very bland and run of the mill; the first is something special.

The first album is by far the better of the two. The second one is good too, but like Eyesore has said, you need to get the special edition (even though it has that pointless second cut of Wicked Witch).

Yep. Get the first one first. However, I disagree that the second album is bland. I said it before: I simply think the second album left nothing to mystery. We knew what to expect; thus were not impressed as much. I do, however, think the standard issue suffers from it choice of tracks.

If anyone is going to buy the second album I cannot stress this more: get the special edition! "Lunar Lament" and "Spatial Architects" are both killer tunes and should never have been bonus tracks. Had they put one track before "Wicked Witch" and the other before "Down Where I Am," and then put "Dorian" at the end (or another heavier number), then the regular, more common, version of the album would have fared much better.

Anyway, get the special edition.

There's no question that you should get the first one. The second one is competent, but very bland and run of the mill; the first is something special.

Eyesore wrote:

+1

Although I think the slow songs on the second album are the best ones.

Brahm_K wrote:

There's no question that you should get the first one. The second one is competent, but very bland and run of the mill; the first is something special.

I feel quite the opposite actually. I think the first is good but that it's basically Iced Earth with Hansi's lyrics and vocals (which is not a bad thing though of course). The second album seemed like John was expected to work outside his usual comfort zones more often, and it sounded like Hansi had more input on the musical side, so I think the second one, while not as heavy, offers a more diverse and interesting palette.

I know I remembered reading about how the songs come togather, but Jon does sound more stretched out musically on the second one to me. Maybe he was just more in tune with what Hansi would bring since this was their second outing.

Eyesore wrote:

+1

Although I think the slow songs on the second album are the best ones.

Get neither. I listened to, and enjoyed, both... INITIALLY. But, I got bored as fuck. I avoid these just like I avoid Nightfall and Night at the Opera. I'm not even gunna mention Glorious Boredom (even though I just did.) Stick to Horror Show, Something Wicked, and Somewhere Far Beyond for over the top, over produced "epic" Power Metal.

That's my review, they both were short lived.

KinderGentlerGenocide wrote:

And I've had and enjoyed the debut for 4 years now.

Though I agree with what you say about the second album, other than Crimson King and Beneath These Waves I find the other songs boring. I disliked the album at first, then loved it and now I think of listening to it and when I remember what songs are on it I stop to rethink and I pop in the debut or something else.

Author:	heatseeker [ Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:46 am ]
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I was just wondering, which of Demons & Wizards two CD's would be best to start with? I've been a fan of Blind Guardian for awhile, and am just starting to get into Iced Earth so I figured I probably can't go wrong with Demons & Wizards, especially judging from the reviews.

Author:	Caligula_K [ Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:59 am ]
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There's no question that you should get the first one. The second one is competent, but very bland and run of the mill; the first is something special.

Author:	The Silent Man [ Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:49 am ]
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Brahm_K wrote: There's no question that you should get the first one. The second one is competent, but very bland and run of the mill; the first is something special. Agreed, the first one is one of my all time favorite albums.

Author:	Eyesore [ Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:17 am ]
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Yep. Get the first one first. However, I disagree that the second album is bland. I said it before: I simply think the second album left nothing to mystery. We knew what to expect; thus were not impressed as much. I do, however, think the standard issue suffers from it choice of tracks. If anyone is going to buy the second album I cannot stress this more: get the special edition! "Lunar Lament" and "Spatial Architects" are both killer tunes and should never have been bonus tracks. Had they put one track before "Wicked Witch" and the other before "Down Where I Am," and then put "Dorian" at the end (or another heavier number), then the regular, more common, version of the album would have fared much better. Anyway, get the special edition.

Author:	Natas [ Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:23 pm ]
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The first album is by far the better of the two. The second one is good too, but like Eyesore has said, you need to get the special edition (even though it has that pointless second cut of Wicked Witch).

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Author:	Eyesore [ Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:43 pm ]
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Natas wrote: The first album is by far the better of the two. The second one is good too, but like Eyesore has said, you need to get the special edition (even though it has that pointless second cut of Wicked Witch). Yeah, the "slow" version of "Wicked Witch" is funny because you'd think the regular version was fast or something. Either way, it's a bonus track, and it is different, so I don't have an issue with it. I see little point in having an edited version of "Beneath The Waves," though. That makes no sense to me.

Author:	Cenotaph [ Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:15 pm ]
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Actually, I think that it took me some time before I fully grasped the goodness of their debut, now I love it though. Touched By The Crimson King however, got stuck into my head pretty much after the first listen, especially Beneath These Waves, but after a while I realised that the debut lasts longer, and doesn't grow old at all, unlike their second. Overall, both cd's kick ass, but while Touched By The Crimson King holds some of their best song, the debut is probably a better starting point.

Author:	Radagast [ Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:33 pm ]
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Eyesore wrote: Yep. Get the first one first. However, I disagree that the second album is bland. I said it before: I simply think the second album left nothing to mystery. We knew what to expect; thus were not impressed as much. I do, however, think the standard issue suffers from it choice of tracks. If anyone is going to buy the second album I cannot stress this more: get the special edition! "Lunar Lament" and "Spatial Architects" are both killer tunes and should never have been bonus tracks. Had they put one track before "Wicked Witch" and the other before "Down Where I Am," and then put "Dorian" at the end (or another heavier number), then the regular, more common, version of the album would have fared much better. Anyway, get the special edition. +1 Although I think the slow songs on the second album are the best ones.

Author:	Fingon [ Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:44 pm ]
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needless to say, the first one.

Author:	derncare [ Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:26 pm ]
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Brahm_K wrote: There's no question that you should get the first one. The second one is competent, but very bland and run of the mill; the first is something special. I feel quite the opposite actually. I think the first is good but that it's basically Iced Earth with Hansi's lyrics and vocals (which is not a bad thing though of course). The second album seemed like John was expected to work outside his usual comfort zones more often, and it sounded like Hansi had more input on the musical side, so I think the second one, while not as heavy, offers a more diverse and interesting palette.

Author:	Eyesore [ Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:45 pm ]
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Radagast wrote: Eyesore wrote: Yep. Get the first one first. However, I disagree that the second album is bland. I said it before: I simply think the second album left nothing to mystery. We knew what to expect; thus were not impressed as much. I do, however, think the standard issue suffers from it choice of tracks. If anyone is going to buy the second album I cannot stress this more: get the special edition! "Lunar Lament" and "Spatial Architects" are both killer tunes and should never have been bonus tracks. Had they put one track before "Wicked Witch" and the other before "Down Where I Am," and then put "Dorian" at the end (or another heavier number), then the regular, more common, version of the album would have fared much better. Anyway, get the special edition. +1 Although I think the slow songs on the second album are the best ones. My favorites are "Dorian" and "Love's Tragedy Asunder." Those two make me sweaty in just the right spot.

Author:	Cara [ Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:33 pm ]
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I'll have to agree with everyone and say the first, not that the second is bad. I like both albums alot. But the first is less bland and boring, well not BORING. But some songs just sound too similar. Also, the first has the fan-favourite Fiddler on the green, can't go wrong there.

Author:	heatseeker [ Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:04 am ]
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I guess it's pretty much given that the first is better, then... Thanks for the advice.

Author:	Eyesore [ Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:05 am ]
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derncare wrote: Brahm_K wrote: There's no question that you should get the first one. The second one is competent, but very bland and run of the mill; the first is something special. I feel quite the opposite actually. I think the first is good but that it's basically Iced Earth with Hansi's lyrics and vocals (which is not a bad thing though of course). The second album seemed like John was expected to work outside his usual comfort zones more often, and it sounded like Hansi had more input on the musical side, so I think the second one, while not as heavy, offers a more diverse and interesting palette. Well, I won't argue that it sounds like that; however, it isn't true. Jon wrote it all and sent it along to Hansi to add his vocals.

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Author:	derncare [ Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:14 am ]
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I know I remembered reading about how the songs come togather, but Jon does sound more stretched out musically on the second one to me. Maybe he was just more in tune with what Hansi would bring since this was their second outing.

Author:	Eyesore [ Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:16 am ]
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derncare wrote: I know I remembered reading about how the songs come togather, but Jon does sound more stretched out musically on the second one to me. Maybe he was just more in tune with what Hansi would bring since this was their second outing. I agree.

Author:	The_Voice [ Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:34 pm ]
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Radagast wrote: Eyesore wrote: Yep. Get the first one first. However, I disagree that the second album is bland. I said it before: I simply think the second album left nothing to mystery. We knew what to expect; thus were not impressed as much. I do, however, think the standard issue suffers from it choice of tracks. If anyone is going to buy the second album I cannot stress this more: get the special edition! "Lunar Lament" and "Spatial Architects" are both killer tunes and should never have been bonus tracks. Had they put one track before "Wicked Witch" and the other before "Down Where I Am," and then put "Dorian" at the end (or another heavier number), then the regular, more common, version of the album would have fared much better. Anyway, get the special edition. +1 Although I think the slow songs on the second album are the best ones. +2

Author:	KinderGentlerGenocide [ Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:43 pm ]
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Get neither. I listened to, and enjoyed, both... INITIALLY. But, I got bored as fuck. I avoid these just like I avoid Nightfall and Night at the Opera. I'm not even gunna mention Glorious Boredom (even though I just did.) Stick to Horror Show, Something Wicked, and Somewhere Far Beyond for over the top, over produced "epic" Power Metal. That's my review, they both were short lived.

Author:	The Silent Man [ Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:39 pm ]
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KinderGentlerGenocide wrote: Get neither. I listened to, and enjoyed, both... INITIALLY. But, I got bored as fuck. I avoid these just like I avoid Nightfall and Night at the Opera. I'm not even gunna mention Glorious Boredom (even though I just did.) Stick to Horror Show, Something Wicked, and Somewhere Far Beyond for over the top, over produced "epic" Power Metal. That's my review, they both were short lived. And I've had and enjoyed the debut for 4 years now. Though I agree with what you say about the second album, other than Crimson King and Beneath These Waves I find the other songs boring. I disliked the album at first, then loved it and now I think of listening to it and when I remember what songs are on it I stop to rethink and I pop in the debut or something else.