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 Post subject: Iron Maiden's past albums...your thoughts....Bruce vs Blaze
PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:30 pm 
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Of course they have a vibe with Bruce, he was with them since 1982 (Number Of The Beast). They made some of their greatest albums during that period. It is hard for a band like that, to suddenly have a new singer which is not a human air-raid siren. Thats why those albums sounded different than the rest, cause Blaze couldnt sing that way...the music was meant for his vocal style and i rekon it worked really well


Have to agree with you on this one. I felt Blaze's voice blended well with the Maiden sound in X Factor and Virtual XI. But Bruce is the voice of Maiden, much like Ozzy was the voice of Sabbath. The other vocalists had a better vocal range and in my opinion were just so much better than Ozzy. But you will still find a vast majority favouring Ozzy as the Sabbath vocalist. And one more thing. I think FOTD is one of Maiden's best albums. :twisted:


Well everyone's opinions and tastes are different. This is a review i did on another music site about FOTD.... P.S- we really should start a new thread about Maiden...

...A little anxious when it's dark...FEAR OF THE DARK..., February 13, 2005
Reviewer: Trooper Of Steel "Sean" (Melbourne, Australia)

By the time Iron Maiden released their 9th studio album in 1992, entitled Fear Of The Dark, they were a household name in the heavy metal world. Kings of their game and ontop of the hill. They held the yard stick.
But in my opinion, what you hear on Fear Of The Dark is the product of a tired and worn out band, which set the scene of what was to happen next.
I noticed a glimpse of Maiden's tiredness from their previous album, No Prayer For the Dying, and with this album, it grew even further. Whether Iron Maiden were changing with the times, as the 80's were long gone, there was something different with Fear Of The Dark...and it was disappointing.
Since guitarist Adrian Smith left the band in 1990 (before No Prayer For The Dying), there has been a noticable drop in the quality of the lyrics and song structure. New guitarist, Jannick Gers, did not contribute to the song-writing on "Prayer", but did co-write 5 songs on Fear Of The Dark, and to their latest album, still does help write a good portion of the band's songs.
Onto the album in question. It begins quickly with the thundering drums of Nicko McBrain to start Be Quick Or Be Dead, an awesome opener, perfect for Bruce Dickinson's vocal style. From Here To Eternity is next, a different type of Maiden song, lyrics wise, and it is saved by a very good chorus and solo. Overall, the song has a "fun" feel to it.
Afraid To Shoot Strangers is next, the song is based on the 1st Gulf War, about normal everyday people forced into battle by governments to kill people they dont know, nor even want to kill. It's one of the best songs on the album. Fear Is The Key follows and again the level drops a little. Despite the nice "galloping" guitar riffs, the song lacks depth and soon becomes boring.
Childhood's End is next, and again is an average track. By this far into the album, the style of the band's music is very different comparred to previous albums. The bands seems angry and their lyrics tend to speak about the struggles of the little people and how they are manipulated by politicians/government, and the after-effects of war.
Wasting Love follows, where it does pick up slightly. A semi-ballad, with nice riffs, but still not a standout track. The Fugitive is next, which is one of the better songs on the album, with a ripping chorus and a fitting solo.
The next two songs are arguably the poorest on the whole album (Chains Of Misery & The Appariton). Things get back on track with the next song- Judas Be My Guide, a great song from start to finish. Unfortunately it is also very short, clocking in at just 3:08. Weekend Warrior is next, and it continues the trend of average songs on the album. The title track ends the album, and although it is a very good song, I tend to prefer the live version of this song, as the studio version lacks a little something.
At the end of listening to this album, you are left disappointed and thinking that you havent gotten enough from it, that something was missing.
To me, Fear Of The Dark felt rushed, constructed quickly and recorded that way. Despite 5 great tracks, there seemed a lot of "fillers".
Bruce Dickinson's song-writing had weakened, while Steve Harris' contributions were still strong and saved this album from being a disaster. The addition of Jannick Gers into the song-writing also helped.
As if you could tell something was wrong with the band, in 1993 Bruce Dickinson left Iron Maiden to pursue a solo career...

(rating each song is as follows: 0.98-1= killer track, 0.95-0.97= awesome track, 0.90-0.93= good/very good track, 0.85-0.88= OK track, 0.80-0.83= poor/average track. Once you add up the score, divide it by the number of tracks to get the %)

Be Quick Or Be Dead: 1
From Here To Eternity: 0.93
Afraid To Shoot Strangers: 1
Fear Is The Key: 0.90
Childhood's End: 0.90
Wasting Love: 0.92
The Fugitive: 0.93
Chains Of Misery: 0.87
The Apparition: 0.85
Judas Be My Guide: 1
Weekend Warrior: 0.90
Fear Of The Dark: 0.95 = 11.15, divided by 12 (tracks)= 92.9%

In my opinion, Fear Of The Dark is ranked 10th out of 13 in the best to least best Iron Maiden albums. Like I wrote at the start of this review, this is a tired effort by Iron Maiden.


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I love Bruce, I love Blaze, I love all Maiden!

Except Run to the Hills, I fuckin' hate that song.


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Sir Wanksalot wrote:
I love Bruce, I love Blaze, I love all Maiden!

Except Run to the Hills, I fuckin' hate that song.


:shock: it's a brilliant good song, and almost everyone likes it. but i also like maiden with blaze and with bruce.
my simple conclusion:

UP THE IRONS!!


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Sir Wanksalot wrote:
I love Bruce, I love Blaze, I love all Maiden!

Except Run to the Hills, I fuckin' hate that song.


Hate is a strong word, but RTTH is certainly not among their best (which explains why its the most popular).

Fear of the Dark is weaker than both Blaze-era albums for me overall. Janick Gers has improved immensely as a songwriter since this album, but here he contributed music to two of the worst songs in Maiden history - Weekend Warrior and The Apparition (the absolute nadir of Iron Maiden), although Steve Harris was not blameless on either of those songs, particularly for the appalling lyrics.

I agree the album felt tried, and it was obvious Bruce and Steve were pulling in two very different directions - Bruce vocals are pretty substandard or just plain weird at many points.

But can we please drop all the Blaze vs Buce stuff? :roll:


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:45 pm 
I liked Iron Maiden with Paul, it had a punky rocky energy I enjoyed and kick-ass songs... 90/100

I liked Iron Maiden with bruce (83 to FOTD) though it weakens after 7th son... still, Bruce had a great voice and made Maiden enter in the All-Stars of Metal and pushed heavy metal into an epic form nobody had achieved before... 85/100 (95/100 if only 83/88 )

It was a mixed bag with Blaze... first, he was NOT the right singer to fit Maiden's music (Harris's fault) then Virtual XI is the worst Maiden album ever when X Factor is only average... then, Blaze's live performances never did it for me (it was like watching a gorilla from the orginal planet of the apes singing) 45/100

since Bruce came back Maiden did 1 good album (BNW) and the second worst Maiden album ever (DoD)... but live the band kicks ass and Bruce even relives a few Blaze songs (aka Sign of the Cross, Clansman) 60/100

overall IRON MAIDEN remains one of the most important band in metal history... :D


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It was a mixed bag with Blaze... first, he was NOT the right singer to fit Maiden's music (Harris's fault) then Virtual XI is the worst Maiden album ever when X Factor is only average...


Why do you think Blaze was not the right singer to fit Maiden's music? If Dickinson never joined Maiden and Blaze did, would your answer be the same?
Do you think Blaze wasnt a good aquasition because Maiden had to change their style of music to fit his vocals, or because Maiden themselves needed a change in style of music?
From NPFTD and FOTD, their music had become mundane and un-inspiring, with far and few between killer songs (Tailgunner, Bring Your Daughter...To The Slaughter, Be Quick Or Be Dead, Afraid To Shoot Strangers, Fear Of The Dark).
I think Bruce leaving, at that time, was a good thing. We may not have liked it back then, but looking back, it probably was the best thing to happen to them.
And for their musical change and reformation, Blaze filled the void perfectly. Their erie and dark sounds went hand in hand with Blaze's deep vocals.
I dont know why you think Virtual XI is Maiden's worst album. I'd put it a bit higher than the middle of the pack. And there were some awesome songs to come out from that album (Lightning Strikes Twice, The Clansman, When Two Worlds Collide, Futureal...). What are your reasons why you consider Virtual XI to be so bad?
In my opinion, the 2 worst Maiden albums are their latest two (Brave New World & Dance Of Death). With having 3 guitarists in a single band, they sure dont play like it. Adrian Smith is a shell of his former self, Janick was never that good, while Dave Murray is always gonna be Dave Murray.
I believe Bruce sounded better when he was on his own and around the time "The Chemical Wedding" came out. The Book Of Thel still beats any recent Maiden song.
But this is not a Maiden bashing, although it may seem so. I love Maiden, but their last 2 albums havent sat right with me and seeing other people's opinions around here, it seems I'm not alone with that comment.
I sometimes wonder....where would Maiden be right now if Bruce never returned and Blaze remained as THE singer for Iron Maiden. Would the fans thoughts about him have changed, how would they sound right now...


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:40 pm 
I just think Blaze was too oftenly out of tune with Wolfsbane both live and in their studio album and more of a rock'n'roll singer to fit Maiden's epic heavy metal...

They had a lot of people wanting the job back then among whose were Ralph Scheepers, Michael Kiske, Sebastian Bach and many more... but Fucking Harris wanted a brit and only a brit...

even then he would have been more inspiored to pick a singer who could sing Dickinson's parts and maybe create his own mark on the new material...

anyway... Blaze did two albums of minor interest in the career of one of the most influencial heavy metal band... he'll still have stories to tell to his grand-children :P


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Plus three very, very good albums with his solo band. People forget that too easily.


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Sir Wanksalot wrote:
I love Bruce, I love Blaze, I love all Maiden!

Except Run to the Hills, I fuckin' hate that song.


You echoed my words. I don't hate run to the hills. I think it's just ok. But I must admit it is one of the most overrated Maiden songs. It's there on every live album of theirs :evil: It's there even in their upcoming live album.


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I see The Apparition is being criticized by most people. I luv that track. Weekend Warrior was weak. I think that, Chains Of Misery and The Fugitive were the weak links in that album. The other two mentioned tracks were not bad tracks, but compared to most other tracks, they don't live upto the mark. Oh yeah, I felt Childhood's End was average too. :twisted:


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all in all, i considerthis album to be pathetic

I got this and number of the beast at the same time, so maybe i was expecting the same excellence on both albums, which could make me a tad jaded to FOTD.


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If it weren't for Bruce leaving Maiden wouldn't be as good as they are now. No Prayer and Fear of the dark, while decent albums, were definately a step behind the earlier albums. Bruce got out and got his break, Blaze not only kept the band going but gave the band a unique, darker spin which some people liked. Now we have a recharged Bruce instead of a burnt out one.


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If it weren't for Bruce leaving Maiden wouldn't be as good as they are now. No Prayer and Fear of the dark, while decent albums, were definately a step behind the earlier albums. Bruce got out and got his break, Blaze not only kept the band going but gave the band a unique, darker spin which some people liked. Now we have a recharged Bruce instead of a burnt out one.


Bruce may sound recharged, but it could be the band...who is burnt out. After all, it has been 25 years.
With Harris wanting a brit to be the new singer, i couldnt agree more, afterall, its HIS band. His and Murray's. They are a British band and if they got... say an American to lead the band, then the focus would shift to the American, as the singer usually is the face of the band. Keeping the singer a Brit was a good move by Harris.
With Blaze's solo albums, yes they are very good. I purchased Ghost In The Machine after one listen. 10th Dimension was a bit of a letdown, but Blood & Belief was a great return to form.


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They had a lot of people wanting the job back then among whose were Ralph Scheepers, Michael Kiske, Sebastian Bach and many more... but Fucking Harris wanted a brit and only a brit...


Scheepers and Kiske wanted to get in Maiden? I didn't know that. Kiske would have definitely been a very interesting choice.
What I remeber is that, back then, there was a strong rumour about Mike Howe, of Metal Church fame, joining Maiden. It never happened, but I would have loved to see that.


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I love Iron Maiden, but they kinda went downhill after Seventh Son, its like they lost their creative touch. The rest following is still good, just not as great as their 80's material


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personally, i think Brave New World was great. yes not as good as their masterpieces but very enjoyable, i don't consider it as metal because it's very veeeery rocky. and there are a few fillers but some songs ate just plain good. Dance of Death is quite a letdown, i though: "don't care about the artwork, as long as the music is fine"

boy, was i naïve about DoD :oops:


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Brave New World and Dance of Death are both great.


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Here is my list of the least best to best Maiden studio albums...

starting from least best...

13. Killers
12. Dance Of Death
11. Brave New World
10. Fear Of The Dark
09. No Prayer For The Dying
08. Piece Of Mind
07. X-Factor
06. Virtual XI
05. The Number Of The Beast
04. Iron Maiden
03. Powerslave
02. Somewhere In Time
01. Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son


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Trooper Of Steel wrote:
Here is my list of the least best to best Maiden studio albums...

starting from least best...

13. Killers
12. Dance Of Death
11. Brave New World
10. Fear Of The Dark
09. No Prayer For The Dying
08. Piece Of Mind
07. X-Factor
06. Virtual XI
05. The Number Of The Beast
04. Iron Maiden
03. Powerslave
02. Somewhere In Time
01. Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son


Killers last?? :shock:


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1.Piece Of Mind 95/100
2.Killers 95/100
3.Iron Maiden 90/100
4.The Number Of The Beast 90/100
5.Somewhere In Time 85/100
6.Powerslave 80/100
7.Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son 80/100
8.Brave New World 75/100
9.Fear Of The Dark 65/100
10.X-Factor 55/100
11.No Prayer For The Dying 55/100
12.Dance Of Death 45/100
13.Virtual XI 35/100
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