Metal Reviews :: View topic - Savage Poetry : original vs. re-issue

Re-issue by far. The songwriting and production improved a lot. Love that album. Especially Eyes of the Tyrant.

Alright then. So far the results of this poll are sound and clear, and bring up three main findings :

1- Almost nobody gives a fuck about Edguy anymore.

I think Rocket Ride is a fine album. IDK what the fuck the compaint about "Unia" is all about.

Are metal heads really this undiverse and pissy when a band changes their sound at all? I may be the only one, but the songwriting has always trumped the stylistic interpretation thereof for me, even if it does not preclude it.

I know I've said it before to much complaints and accusations of arrogance, but I measure a song's songwriting level by how many changes I would have to make to the song to maximize it's potential. I don't even bother if it is completely unlike anything I would do myself. There's no emotional attachment to what does not satisfy me musically. I probably wouldn't write a DM song, so I don't listen to that stuff anymore.

What the hell is wrong with a Metal band doing Hard Rock songwriting? It worked for so many bands in so many eras, yet NOW is the time it is unacceptable?

I seriously think a lot of people have a major problem with hooks and melody sometimes, considering it a distraction from the aggressive or frustrated element they desperately need in music.

Everyone here knows I could go on for another 4 paragraphs, but I think my point has been made, so I'll wrap this up:

I just don't understand how some forms of music are considered cliched but others are not when they are all cliched to death. I think that lies at the root of what constitutes preference. I think we prefer what we consider most diverse-sounding. No two PM bands really sound alike to me, but most DM, BM, and Thrash sounds pretty similar to each other to the point that I can say I've been there and done that and don't need to explore it further.

Author:	Bruce_Bitenfils [ Sat Apr 16, 2011 6:03 pm ]
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I was paying a tribute to my teen days gods the other day, and when Edguy's turn came I noticed how much I dislike the re-issue of Savage Poetry, and prefer the original issue. The re-issue is overdone to me, and lacks the punch the original had, even though production and vocals were not good. It's sounds like a poor, random power metal band trying to cover a metal classic. IMO, of course. What are your thoughts, if you have any ?

Author:	Adveser [ Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:41 pm ]
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I was always under the impression that when this is done it is a good thing. Dungeon re-did Resurrection to amazing results. I haven't heard both issues of the Edguy album, so I am very curious to what people think on this one.

Author:	AlexandeR [ Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:16 pm ]
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Re-issue by far. The songwriting and production improved a lot. Love that album. Especially Eyes of the Tyrant.

Author:	Ness [ Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:01 am ]
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AlexandeR wrote: Re-issue by far. The songwriting and production improved a lot. Love that album. Especially Eyes of the Tyrant. This. One of my favorites songs ever.

Author:	The_Voice [ Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:53 pm ]
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AlexandeR wrote: Re-issue by far. The songwriting and production improved a lot. Love that album. Especially Eyes of the Tyrant. +1 I like the original version also, but i found the re-recorded version to be superior, Kingdom Of Madness on the other hand is perfect as it is.

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Author:	Bruce_Bitenfils [ Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:58 pm ]
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Alright then. So far the results of this poll are sound and clear, and bring up three main findings : 1- Almost nobody gives a fuck about Edguy anymore. 2- The original version of Savage Poetry finds no love at all. 3- No seriously, nobody cares about Edguy anymore. This is uncanny.

Author:	MetalStorm [ Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:39 pm ]
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I have the original but not the reissue so I can't make a comparison but I have no problem with the original so I like it. Classic album by far regardless. And yes Bruce no one cares at least most don't care about Edguy now that Tobias wants to go the hard rock route and not the power metal route that was done up to Hellfire Club. Shame though they had some great albums until Rocket Ride then of course their downward spiral started. And before the hard core Eddie fans get their panties in a wad that's just the way I feel and my opinion.

Author:	stub [ Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:04 am ]
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Bruce_Bitenfils wrote: Alright then. So far the results of this poll are sound and clear, and bring up three main findings : 1- Almost nobody gives a fuck about Edguy anymore. I actually think there's still too many people that still give a fuck about such an average band as Edguy, when there's hundreds of better bands around that remain buried under the dust of time; Edguy don't deserve such recognition as they have; and must i add that Tobias Sammet is the most annoying heavy metal singer and the most lame frontman ever? All this, of course, imo.

Author:	Adveser [ Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:35 am ]
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I think Rocket Ride is a fine album. IDK what the fuck the compaint about "Unia" is all about. Are metal heads really this undiverse and pissy when a band changes their sound at all? I may be the only one, but the songwriting has always trumped the stylistic interpretation thereof for me, even if it does not preclude it. I know I've said it before to much complaints and accusations of arrogance, but I measure a song's songwriting level by how many changes I would have to make to the song to maximize it's potential. I don't even bother if it is completely unlike anything I would do myself. There's no emotional attachment to what does not satisfy me musically. I probably wouldn't write a DM song, so I don't listen to that stuff anymore. What the hell is wrong with a Metal band doing Hard Rock songwriting? It worked for so many bands in so many eras, yet NOW is the time it is unacceptable? I seriously think a lot of people have a major problem with hooks and melody sometimes, considering it a distraction from the aggressive or frustrated element they desperately need in music.

Author:	Bruce_Bitenfils [ Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:39 pm ]
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Adveser wrote: I think Rocket Ride is a fine album. IDK what the fuck the compaint about "Unia" is all about. It was OK. The title track is fun. Especially if you drunk and with friends. And if they're ladies in the room, for the obvious sexual innuendo. Ah, anyway. Adveser wrote: Are metal heads really this undiverse and pissy when a band changes their sound at all? I may be the only one, but the songwriting has always trumped the stylistic interpretation thereof for me, even if it does not preclude it. I like evolving bands. I like musicians who have big enough balls to make the music they want to make, no matter what sells best at the time, nor what the fans want. I somehow do not think Tobias had this in mind, though... Adveser wrote: I know I've said it before to much complaints and accusations of arrogance, but I measure a song's songwriting level by how many changes I would have to make to the song to maximize it's potential. I don't even bother if it is completely unlike anything I would do myself. There's no emotional attachment to what does not satisfy me musically. I probably wouldn't write a DM song, so I don't listen to that stuff anymore. You'd be a fantastic Frenchman. Adveser wrote: What the hell is wrong with a Metal band doing Hard Rock songwriting? It worked for so many bands in so many eras, yet NOW is the time it is unacceptable? I seriously think a lot of people have a major problem with hooks and melody sometimes, considering it a distraction from the aggressive or frustrated element they desperately need in music. I don't think melodies are the problem. Perhaps melodic genres are considered overdone and unoriginal, these days. I'm listening to Rocket Ride while I'm typing this. There's nothing wrong per se with it. It's just I am under the impression that I have listened to this a thousand times before. Except for the mouth solo in Return to the Tribe. Priceless.

Author:	Adveser [ Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:13 pm ]
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Good observations Bruce. Thanks for your insight Again, I don't want to be that guy, but my ears hear the production, timbre and tone of a sound long before I even think about what note it could be. The note is a distinct yet tiny part of how I perceive a sound. I can be fooled by the exact same note progression a thousand times because it never sounds the same, to me until I mentally line up the notes with another song and realize it. A slightly different rhythm or an extra note or two, or one missing makes the thing new to me every time because I never back reference anything to anything else to try to find a way to relate it to what I like already. Everyone here knows I could go on for another 4 paragraphs, but I think my point has been made, so I'll wrap this up: I just don't understand how some forms of music are considered cliched but others are not when they are all cliched to death. I think that lies at the root of what constitutes preference. I think we prefer what we consider most diverse-sounding. No two PM bands really sound alike to me, but most DM, BM, and Thrash sounds pretty similar to each other to the point that I can say I've been there and done that and don't need to explore it further.

Author:	Thomas [ Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:02 pm ]
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Never really got into Edguy... Tried them out again not too long ago, but it didn't click at all.. Sammet has a good voice though, but I find the songwriting really uninteresting for some reason.

Author:	Tompa [ Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:38 pm ]
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I have only heard the reissue so I can't comment. One of their best albums though. And you can probably count me as one of the guys who don't care about Edguy anymore. I loved them all the way to Hellfire Club but their newer releases don't do anything for me. If they wanna change stylistically that's perfectly fine but it's also perfectly fine for me not to find it as appealing. I'm not one of the guys calling them sellouts or calling Tobias a fag or whatever, bands change and they should definitely be playing what and how they want to play instead of doing something their hearts aren't into anymore. A part of it could definitely be that my personal taste in metal has changed from the time when I was way into Edguy. I don't really listen to that much power metal anymore and their old stuff haven't aged that well to me. I have a similar relationship with Blind Guardian. When I'm in the right mood and am listening to some of their older stuff it fucking rocks but I have to be in the right state of mind to really enjoy it and I'm generally completely indifferent to their new material.

Author:	The_Voice [ Tue Apr 19, 2011 6:26 pm ]
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Edguy was awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1x-rN9wl-M

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