Metal Reviews

That's even worse.

Just, plain wrong.

No. I just have my own reasons for that. I'd rather sing like Lione, Luppi or Tyrant for one thing. And the way I like playing guitar is where I am barely able to keep up and instead of having to dumb down split chords and 6-string chords into power chords or unisons, I don't have to.

As a musician I have a lot more in common with someone playing fast power chords and sweeping argeggios than the guy playing the same old regular chord progressions phrased a dozen different but seemingly new sounding ways.

I mean I would rather listen to 38 special than Yes. Just basic Power Chords and soloing for minutes at a time.

Rush is my favorite band ever and what I like about them is they were either a bubble gum pop hard rock band (as their sound has been described by a thousand different sources at the time) or an unashamed synth-pop/new wave/overproduced rock band in the tradition of Toto and Chicago until they started imitating themselves in the early 90's.

I like to listen to Big Al the most and he is a better guitarist, but Olaf writes the stuff that I can come up with myself and his playing is how I always did it. So it is always more fun to put on RTHD and play the way I like to play guitar. Olaf's songs feel more like something I would write, where there is no way in hell it would ever be natural or instinctive for me to play ten six string chords in a row.

Most of the 70's prog bands were just awful and the backlash from their existence (along with Yatch Rock and AOR) actually destroyed rock and roll in the eyes of millions as a bloated dinosau that had to be put down.

Idiot.

Sure, you could argue punk never happened if you like. It's a controversial claim and you aren't the first to say that, but such bullshit has been proven to be misguided at best.

I mean it has been pretty well established by those that were there at the time.

They lacked perspective. Something we have now.
Maybe you'd better go on PoorProgMetal & SuckyPunk Reviews... That seems to be you type.

No. Not at all. I have friends who within six months went from listening to Caress of Steel to Iggy and the stooges and never went back until punk became new wave and thrash started up.

What perspective does that lack except that they thought mainstream rock started to suck so they started listening to other shit?

Your argument is like saying mainstream Alternative rock had nothing to do with the demise of Hard Rock as a commercially viable form or that in 1992 no one could figure out why Def Leppard's newest album was selling slow. (it wasn't unsuccessful, but it wasn't marketed to Rock audiences at all, it was marketed to the Adult Contemporary stations, just like Bon Jovi was at the time)

Sure...
If you consider Henry Cow, Art Bears, Univers Zero, Van der Graaf Generator, King Crimson, Faust, Can, Neu!, Gentle Giant (etc.) to be mainstream rock, you're just awfully wrong.
Also, maybe did your friends listen to the wrong bands. Or their retarded idiots like you.

Uhh yeah, bands that are on major labels that you could go to any record store and buy are mainstream acts. King Crimson? You have got to be fucking joking if think in any way that is obscure. Sabbath was almost never played on the radio either and no one considers them obscure in the least.

I can hit a used record store and buy multiple copies of most of those albums. And just because a label goes under and never has their catalogue bought out by a modern major label does not make anything they released obscure.

Used record stores are sometimes known to have obscure stuff in. King Crimson aside, most of those bands that he mentioned are anything but mainstream.

Where did you see I said those bands were obscure? Difficult at times, not everyone can handle the craziness of Henry Cow or Can, mind you.
Man, you so incoherent in the way you reply to my posts that I'm not going to bother anymore...

Depends obviously on how you define "mainstream", but I would say not even King Crimson is "mainstream rock". Even if it was popular it was still experimental music.

Oh, sure. Just meant that KC are the most well-known of the bunch.

Yeah, not having a go just thinking aloud. IMO "mainstream" and "experimental" are pretty much mutually exclusive with maybe a couple of exceptions.

They are mainstream because most of them were major labels, were generally promoted heavily and the labels at least made an attempt to market them and tailor the records to mass-market appeal.

As weird as Frank Zappa was, no label in their right mind is going to compromise on making money vs. releasing albums that lose money. And that is another part of the marketing. Yes, the "we absolutely would never make a pop record" act is just another way to sell records...to people that hate pop music and aren't customers anyway.

That is the main issue with heavy metal. 90% of the fanbase doesn't think the labels treated metal bands with the same restrictions as a pop group and it just isn't true. Metal Blade or some of the more obscure european labels in the early 80's were probably the first time a band was told "record whatever you want because we understand your fanbase cares most about integrity" but hell, slagel produced a good deal of MB material, so that is probably a bit exaggerated too.

Metal bands had their records rejected, were forced to create marketable singles and were subject to re-recording entire albums just like everyone else. I think it is time for some people to stop pretending. The producer works for the label and he controls the direction of the record. Not a hard formula to figure out.

That must be the stupidest thing you ever said on this forum and, since you've said a lot of crap, that's quite an achievement. Bravo.


This comes pretty close to the previous quote, actually. It only proves how little you know...

You are a fuckin broken record who says absolutely nothing other than someone else is wrong and provides absolutely zero evidence to back anything up. Your argument is that you are somehow right, regardless of the thousands of cases that condradict me "being wrong"

Evidence or shut the fuck up.

Go read Moses Avalon's (a fake name that was used) Confessions of a record producer and then pull your head out of your ass. It has actual recording contracts that prove everything I have say/type, not withstanding the hundreds of testimonials from other musicians/producers/engineers/A&R ect. Every moron knows you play by a label's rules or they pull a record deal off the table. They have thousands of bands that will agree to their insane clauses and are only interested in money themselves.

You and some of the other people that drink the anti-corporate and anti-label charade that was invented to fool stupid people into thinking "their records" were more pure are the ones who need the education.

Again. Over at Nuclear Blast and InsideOut they have people running things that only want honest and good music, but to act like acts such as Black Sabbath and Judas Priest (who were on Vertigo/Warner/WEA and CBS/Columbia respectively) were in anything remotely resembling that position is just foolhardy and stupid.

Shortly before the Black Box was released I had a copy of Metal Edge that had numerous interviews and notably a complete discography for Black Sabbath. I vaguely recalled Wakeman's name being credited multiple times. Obviously him appearing on one album would results in him subsequently appearing on any compilation that he also appeared. If a 6 year old memory being somewhat wrong, and such a minor distinction at that, was used to completely ignore the main idea of the statement.

Sorry, if someone mistakes which Saxon album Jorg Michael played Drums on for another one that does not mean they don't know shit for the rest of eternity.

So next time you have something to say, it needs to have some kind of substance rather than your usual trolling and personal insults, but no one can expect that much from a shit disturber such as yourself.

Listen to King Crimson, Can, Neu!, Gentle Giant, etc.
If you think it's mainstream then YOU have a problem.

Seriously dude, did a record company screw you over?

If a record company had a say in how something should sound, but the end product still sounded good and I liked it, then more power to them.

You see, the "rebel" part of metal doesn't arise from the fact a producer or a label had a part in saying how the music should sound, but that most other people don't like it.

I don't like metal because others don't. The 'rebel' aspect to me is straight from the lyrics and structure of the music.