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Goat · **Posted:** Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:32 am

See, I don't consider genres to be that ruthlessly defined. Why can't Incubus be nu-metal? The Alt. and Nu- scenes were pretty close, weren't they? Christ, Static-X weren't nu-metal, they were Industrial, for example. Overlapping!

Not that I care in the end about what you call them, it all seems like excuses not to listen to them in the end.

Stefan · **Posted:** Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:00 am

Adveser wrote:

That nu-metal wasn't even around at the time, nor had the term been coined. So how is it nu-metal. Science is a combination of Mr. Bungle and Korn, which were thier influences at the time.

agreed on Mr. Bungle but I don't hear Korn...

Afro Lint · **Joined:** Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:30 am **Posts:** 1212

Adveser wrote:

That nu-metal wasn't even around at the time, nor had the term been coined. So how is it nu-metal. Science is a combination of Mr. Bungle and Korn, which were thier influences at the time.

The term "nu-metal" was coined when Korn came onto the scene, you turd! So how was it that Incubus were influence by Korn, yet nu-metal wasn't even around at the time? Moreover, S.C.I.E.N.C.E. sounds nothing like Korn.

Afro Lint · **Joined:** Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:30 am **Posts:** 1212

Zad wrote:

See, I don't consider genres to be that ruthlessly defined. Why can't Incubus be nu-metal? The Alt. and Nu- scenes were pretty close, weren't they? Christ, Static-X weren't nu-metal, they were Industrial, for example. Overlapping!

Not that I care in the end about what you call them, it all seems like excuses not to listen to them in the end.

"Nu-metal" isn't a true genre, really. Tell me, how is Korn and Deftones nu-metal? Neither band has ever sounded similar, so how are they both nu-metal? Some would have you believe—as we see here—that Incubus is nu-metal. But some also claim that System of a Down is nu-metal, even latter day In Flames! So tell me, where are the similarities? They have distorted guitars? That's about it.

Nu-metal means exactly what it says: NEW metal. They had no name for it, so they just labeled it something obvious. Just because someone thought it would be cool to spell it "nu" doesn't mean anything. The genre became a catch-all for every band that couldn't be lumped into another existing genre. That's fine, of course, because generally the bands labeled nu-metal did have that down-tuned bar chord style with angsty lyrics and angry vocals, like Spineshank and such, so tagging bands "nu-metal" wasn't really an issue. But many "nu-metal" bands just leaned too far toward other genres, so the tag doesn't fit. And sadly, "nu-metal" is also simply used as an insult, with no musical merit whatsoever.

Either way, genres are always tough because music these days is just too cross-pollenated. But you can at least label bands a style that is more fitting, such as Incubus being more alt-rock than nu-metal. And Korn, to be honest, should either be the only nu-metal band, or just be given a lable of their own since no other band aside from Juice ever sounded like them. They remain truly original in style, regardless of the quality of their musical output.

By the way, Juice was a band formed by members of another band called Sex Art that featured Jonathon Davis, but they never made it. Korn and Juice pretty much sounded the same. Maybe even Sex Art, I don't know. Hear for yourself:

http://cdbaby.com/mp3lofi/juice-02.m3u

Adveser · **Joined:** Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:26 am **Posts:** 2491

Afro Lint wrote:

Adveser wrote:

That nu-metal wasn't even around at the time, nor had the term been coined. So how is it nu-metal. Science is a combination of Mr. Bungle and Korn, which were thier influences at the time.

The term "nu-metal" was coined when Korn came onto the scene, you turd! So how was it that Incubus were influence by Korn, yet nu-metal wasn't even around at the time? Moreover, S.C.I.E.N.C.E. sounds nothing like Korn.

I was refering more to the dropped tunings (or at least overtones of it) To my knowledge the term nu-metal didn't start cropping up until around 2000-2001, when Metal Edge started really pushing that term hard on everyone, maybe internet users were using long before, but it certinaly wasnt widespread, nor was it spelled Nu-Metal, that started showing up around 2002 if I recall.

Adveser · **Joined:** Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:26 am **Posts:** 2491

Afro Lint wrote:

Zad wrote:

See, I don't consider genres to be that ruthlessly defined. Why can't Incubus be nu-metal? The Alt. and Nu- scenes were pretty close, weren't they? Christ, Static-X weren't nu-metal, they were Industrial, for example. Overlapping!

Not that I care in the end about what you call them, it all seems like excuses not to listen to them in the end.

"Nu-metal" isn't a true genre, really. Tell me, how is Korn and Deftones nu-metal? Neither band has ever sounded similar, so how are they both nu-metal? Some would have you believe—as we see here—that Incubus is nu-metal. But some also claim that System of a Down is nu-metal, even latter day In Flames! So tell me, where are the similarities? They have distorted guitars? That's about it.

Nu-metal means exactly what it says: NEW metal. They had no name for it, so they just labeled it something obvious. Just because someone thought it would be cool to spell it "nu" doesn't mean anything. The genre became a catch-all for every band that couldn't be lumped into another existing genre. That's fine, of course, because generally the bands labeled nu-metal did have that down-tuned bar chord style with angsty lyrics and angry vocals, like Spineshank and such, so tagging bands "nu-metal" wasn't really an issue. But many "nu-metal" bands just leaned too far toward other genres, so the tag doesn't fit. And sadly, "nu-metal" is also simply used as an insult, with no musical merit whatsoever.

Either way, genres are always tough because music these days is just too cross-pollenated. But you can at least label bands a style that is more fitting, such as Incubus being more alt-rock than nu-metal. And Korn, to be honest, should either be the only nu-metal band, or just be given a lable of their own since no other band aside from Juice ever sounded like them. They remain truly original in style, regardless of the quality of their musical output.

By the way, Juice was a band formed by members of another band called Sex Art that featured Jonathon Davis, but they never made it. Korn and Juice pretty much sounded the same. Maybe even Sex Art, I don't know. Hear for yourself:

http://cdbaby.com/mp3lofi/juice-02.m3u

mostly true. It was a by-product of the fact the long-standing industry term "alternative metal" being downright confusing in a post grunge world. Bands like Biohazard are "alternative metal" but as the word "alternative" started taking on a different weight in the 90's to describe bands like Candlebox, they obviously has to go a different direction.

Stefan · **Posted:** Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:14 pm

Adveser wrote:

Afro Lint wrote:

Zad wrote:

See, I don't consider genres to be that ruthlessly defined. Why can't Incubus be nu-metal? The Alt. and Nu- scenes were pretty close, weren't they? Christ, Static-X weren't nu-metal, they were Industrial, for example. Overlapping!

Not that I care in the end about what you call them, it all seems like excuses not to listen to them in the end.

"Nu-metal" isn't a true genre, really. Tell me, how is Korn and Deftones nu-metal? Neither band has ever sounded similar, so how are they both nu-metal? Some would have you believe—as we see here—that Incubus is nu-metal. But some also claim that System of a Down is nu-metal, even latter day In Flames! So tell me, where are the similarities? They have distorted guitars? That's about it.

Nu-metal means exactly what it says: NEW metal. They had no name for it, so they just labeled it something obvious. Just because someone thought it would be cool to spell it "nu" doesn't mean anything. The genre became a catch-all for every band that couldn't be lumped into another existing genre. That's fine, of course, because generally the bands labeled nu-metal did have that down-tuned bar chord style with angsty lyrics and angry vocals, like Spineshank and such, so tagging bands "nu-metal" wasn't really an issue. But many "nu-metal" bands just leaned too far toward other genres, so the tag doesn't fit. And sadly, "nu-metal" is also simply used as an insult, with no musical merit whatsoever.

Either way, genres are always tough because music these days is just too cross-pollenated. But you can at least label bands a style that is more fitting, such as Incubus being more alt-rock than nu-metal. And Korn, to be honest, should either be the only nu-metal band, or just be given a lable of their own since no other band aside from Juice ever sounded like them. They remain truly original in style, regardless of the quality of their musical output.

By the way, Juice was a band formed by members of another band called Sex Art that featured Jonathon Davis, but they never made it. Korn and Juice pretty much sounded the same. Maybe even Sex Art, I don't know. Hear for yourself:

http://cdbaby.com/mp3lofi/juice-02.m3u

mostly true. It was a by-product of the fact the long-standing industry term "alternative metal" being downright confusing in a post grunge world. Bands like Biohazard are "alternative metal" but as the word "alternative" started taking on a different weight in the 90's to describe bands like Candlebox, they obviously has to go a different direction.

Biohazard were hardcore dummy!

OldSchool · **Posted:** Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:39 pm

Stefan wrote:

Adveser wrote:

Afro Lint wrote:

Zad wrote:

See, I don't consider genres to be that ruthlessly defined. Why can't Incubus be nu-metal? The Alt. and Nu- scenes were pretty close, weren't they? Christ, Static-X weren't nu-metal, they were Industrial, for example. Overlapping!

Not that I care in the end about what you call them, it all seems like excuses not to listen to them in the end.

"Nu-metal" isn't a true genre, really. Tell me, how is Korn and Deftones nu-metal? Neither band has ever sounded similar, so how are they both nu-metal? Some would have you believe—as we see here—that Incubus is nu-metal. But some also claim that System of a Down is nu-metal, even latter day In Flames! So tell me, where are the similarities? They have distorted guitars? That's about it.

Nu-metal means exactly what it says: NEW metal. They had no name for it, so they just labeled it something obvious. Just because someone thought it would be cool to spell it "nu" doesn't mean anything. The genre became a catch-all for every band that couldn't be lumped into another existing genre. That's fine, of course, because generally the bands labeled nu-metal did have that down-tuned bar chord style with angsty lyrics and angry vocals, like Spineshank and such, so tagging bands "nu-metal" wasn't really an issue. But many "nu-metal" bands just leaned too far toward other genres, so the tag doesn't fit. And sadly, "nu-metal" is also simply used as an insult, with no musical merit whatsoever.

Either way, genres are always tough because music these days is just too cross-pollenated. But you can at least label bands a style that is more fitting, such as Incubus being more alt-rock than nu-metal. And Korn, to be honest, should either be the only nu-metal band, or just be given a lable of their own since no other band aside from Juice ever sounded like them. They remain truly original in style, regardless of the quality of their musical output.

By the way, Juice was a band formed by members of another band called Sex Art that featured Jonathon Davis, but they never made it. Korn and Juice pretty much sounded the same. Maybe even Sex Art, I don't know. Hear for yourself:

http://cdbaby.com/mp3lofi/juice-02.m3u

mostly true. It was a by-product of the fact the long-standing industry term "alternative metal" being downright confusing in a post grunge world. Bands like Biohazard are "alternative metal" but as the word "alternative" started taking on a different weight in the 90's to describe bands like Candlebox, they obviously has to go a different direction.

Biohazard were hardcore dummy!

Yep, hardcore. Whatever happened to them, I haven't heard about them in quite some time.

Dago · **Posted:** Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:38 pm

You don't know what happened to them cause they started to suck badly.

Adveser · **Joined:** Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:26 am **Posts:** 2491

How many times do I have to say this: In the music industry Hardcore /Metal crossovers are also called "alternative metal" it's too bad that no one really understands this, it definitely would clear up a lot of confusion because peoplke keep mixing up layman terms and industry terms that do not agree with each other.

Afro Lint · **Joined:** Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:30 am **Posts:** 1212

Adveser wrote:

Afro Lint wrote:

Adveser wrote:

That nu-metal wasn't even around at the time, nor had the term been coined. So how is it nu-metal. Science is a combination of Mr. Bungle and Korn, which were thier influences at the time.

The term "nu-metal" was coined when Korn came onto the scene, you turd! So how was it that Incubus were influence by Korn, yet nu-metal wasn't even around at the time? Moreover, S.C.I.E.N.C.E. sounds nothing like Korn.

I was refering more to the dropped tunings (or at least overtones of it) To my knowledge the term nu-metal didn't start cropping up until around 2000-2001, when Metal Edge started really pushing that term hard on everyone, maybe internet users were using long before, but it certinaly wasnt widespread, nor was it spelled Nu-Metal, that started showing up around 2002 if I recall.

2000? Dude. Seriously. Log out, create a new account, pretend this one never existed, and try to start over. Are you 12 years old or something? Another turd trying to re-write history?

Afro Lint · **Joined:** Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:30 am **Posts:** 1212

Stefan wrote:

Adveser wrote:

mostly true. It was a by-product of the fact the long-standing industry term "alternative metal" being downright confusing in a post grunge world. Bands like Biohazard are "alternative metal" but as the word "alternative" started taking on a different weight in the 90's to describe bands like Candlebox, they obviously has to go a different direction.

Biohazard were hardcore dummy!

Thank you! :lol:

This guy is a tard. And Candlebox is a clear cut modern alt-rock band.

Afro Lint · **Joined:** Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:30 am **Posts:** 1212

Adveser wrote:

How many times do I have to say this: In the music industry Hardcore /Metal crossovers are also called "alternative metal" it's too bad that no one really understands this, it definitely would clear up a lot of confusion because peoplke keep mixing up layman terms and industry terms that do not agree with each other.

You live in Bizarro World. Alt-metal is NOT hardcore/metal crossover. Hahaha.

And by the way, Biohazard broke up. They have a new live CD/DVD coming out soon, but that won't be anything special. They did go downhill for a while; Kill Or Be Killed is terrible. However, I highly recommend Means To An End, their final album, because it's killer. Very much like Urban Discipline in style. They went out on a high note.

Goat · **Posted:** Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:59 am

Isn't Evan from Biohazard in porn now?

Adveser · **Joined:** Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:26 am **Posts:** 2491

Afro Lint wrote:

Adveser wrote:

How many times do I have to say this: In the music industry Hardcore /Metal crossovers are also called "alternative metal" it's too bad that no one really understands this, it definitely would clear up a lot of confusion because peoplke keep mixing up layman terms and industry terms that do not agree with each other.

You live in Bizarro World. Alt-metal is NOT hardcore/metal crossover. Hahaha.

And by the way, Biohazard broke up. They have a new live CD/DVD coming out soon, but that won't be anything special. They did go downhill for a while; Kill Or Be Killed is terrible. However, I highly recommend Means To An End, their final album, because it's killer. Very much like Urban Discipline in style. They went out on a high note.

That is not what Warner Bro & Universal believe. Get ahold of some sales sheets and disprove me!

traptunderice · **Posted:** Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:53 pm

Zad wrote:

Isn't Evan from Biohazard in porn now?

He just made a porn with Dave Navarro. I saw it as a news blurb on Blabbermouth.

Alternative metal is like Rollins Band, White Zombie, Soundgarden or Faith No More.

Wouldn't "hardcore/metal crossover" just be metalcore?

Mintrude · **Posted:** Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:34 pm

How did we get onto this?

DevotedWalnut · **Posted:** Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:13 am

That ad guy is a dick.

noodles · **Posted:** Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:20 am

Mintrude wrote:

How did we get onto this?

Octavarius and ken started flinging poo at each other, so we started talking about shitty music hehehe

The_Voice · **Posted:** Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:25 am

traptunderice wrote:

Wouldn't "hardcore/metal crossover" just be metalcore?

No never, Crossover is hardcore with thrash, like municipal waste, DRI, Cryptic Slaughter etc, its an 80s genre.

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