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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:16 pm 
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Me and my friend Matt were listening to Metal Massacre III the other day and this song came on by a band called Sexist. It was produced by Don Dokken and Mike Zaputil from Agent Steel plays bass on the song. Its fucking killer and I can't seem to find anything about the band. Has anyone heard of them?

Yes, I have that album "MM3" and I always loved the song by sexist on there. The song is "fire and wind" right?

BTW I bought that the the summer of like 83 in a head shop in El Paso.......lol

I recently bought all nine MM albums, and the collection album, from Sentinel Steel for like $30. Killer deal.


Like some one said though there is a lot of shit on there and I had most of the albums by the good bands way back when. I am not a collector like you but it at least does show there was real American Metal back then. The shit by Virgin Steele, Fates Warning, Slayer, Metallica, etc etc is def classic and a slice of time. Fucking Warlord and Omen too.

I always thought (and no offence to the dude) that Robbie Blackmore was like the most unmetal name of all time, even as a kid it cracked me up. HT is right though, that songs kicks so much ass.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:20 pm 
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Holy_Terror wrote:
ha that is random as hell. Glad too see you're still ticking mate!! That song is awesome, but Don Dokken is a tool.


Yeah but the first two Dokken albums kick much ass. The lost it on under lock and key though big time after the kick ass piece of METAL that Tooth n Nail was.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:33 pm 
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ha that is random as hell. Glad too see you're still ticking mate!! That song is awesome, but Don Dokken is a tool.


Yeah but the first two Dokken albums kick much ass. The lost it on under lock and key though big time after the kick ass piece of METAL that Tooth n Nail was.


Come on, Under Lock and Key is a classic with songs like It's Not Love!! Great album! Dokken did lose it but only after Under...


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:03 am 
Under Lock And Key is easily a classic, but leeeeeeeeeeee can't handle hit songs, so it sucks, of course. Like I mentioned before, the only really bad Dokken album is Shadowlife. That album sucks.

The rest are very good. Don's new solo album sounds like something Kiske would do.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:49 pm 
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Eyesore wrote:
Under Lock And Key is easily a classic, but leeeeeeeeeeee can't handle hit songs, so it sucks, of course. Like I mentioned before, the only really bad Dokken album is Shadowlife. That album sucks.

The rest are very good. Don's new solo album sounds like something Kiske would do.


I can handle hits just fine, I just can't handle shit albums which Under Lock n Key is compared to Breaking the Chains and Tooth n Nail.

Just because you and Kenny grew up on MTV and Headbangers Ball for your metal needs and dug Dangerous Toys and the Bullet Boys doesn't mean there weren't a few of us that recognized real Metal in the 80's.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:43 pm 
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Under Lock And Key is easily a classic, but leeeeeeeeeeee can't handle hit songs, so it sucks, of course. Like I mentioned before, the only really bad Dokken album is Shadowlife. That album sucks.

The rest are very good. Don's new solo album sounds like something Kiske would do.

I can handle hits just fine, I just can't handle shit albums which Under Lock n Key is compared to Breaking the Chains and Tooth n Nail.

Just because you and Kenny grew up on MTV and Headbangers Ball for your metal needs and dug Dangerous Toys and the Bullet Boys doesn't mean there weren't a few of us that recognized real Metal in the 80's.

Breaking The Chains is a very inconsistent album, dude. Cut the crap.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:49 pm 
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Eyesore wrote:
leee wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
Under Lock And Key is easily a classic, but leeeeeeeeeeee can't handle hit songs, so it sucks, of course. Like I mentioned before, the only really bad Dokken album is Shadowlife. That album sucks.

The rest are very good. Don's new solo album sounds like something Kiske would do.

I can handle hits just fine, I just can't handle shit albums which Under Lock n Key is compared to Breaking the Chains and Tooth n Nail.

Just because you and Kenny grew up on MTV and Headbangers Ball for your metal needs and dug Dangerous Toys and the Bullet Boys doesn't mean there weren't a few of us that recognized real Metal in the 80's.

Breaking The Chains is a very inconsistent album, dude. Cut the crap.


Why don't you cut the fucking crap and realize we don't listen to music the same way nor like the same things?


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:50 pm 
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Sorry....don't know how to get the quotes in those boxes. But this is in response to EYESORE'S earlier posting:

"The 80's ruled! So tell us, Mr. Blackmore, what are you doing now?"

Got my act together and started growing up in the 90's after dang neer killing myself with booze & cocaine. Got my college degree and did some graduate studies as well. I'm now very happily married with 2 great kids, living in Littleton, Colorado in my own 4,000 square foot suburbian slice of the good life. I'm a financial consultant. Play the drums in a rockin' church band (now have been playing the drums for about 30 years).

As far as the other guys...Mike Zaputil (Bass) lives in the Phoenix area. He's a truck driver. He also plays in a rockin' church band. Last saw Mark Andersen in 1999. He worked for Southern California Edison (or Water & Power). Last I heard, his wife left him...took the kids....and he was suicidal. (By the way, Great White's "House of Broken Love" was written by me, Andersen and Jack Russell [of Great White] when all three of us were living at Mark's house and were broken up from our wive's or girlfriends at the time)

Tommy Carradona (bass) went on to play with Lita Ford and then Alice Cooper. After Letchen Grey, Robert Sykes started a prop company (for movies and rock shows) in Dallas...sold it years later. He and his partners each got $1 or $2 million. He then had a band called "Broken Toyz." Haven't heard a thing from or about Robert in a couple years...Broken Toyz is...well broken.

Regarding Trans-Siberians remark: Yeah...in the big picture we were an obscure 80's band....only selling about 80,000 records (mostly in Japan and Germany)....so who REALLY gives a rip about what we're doing now....fine.

But for those of you who actually play instruments [not necessarily referring to Trans]....you who were there, actually doin' the hollywood and sunset strip when that scene EXPLODED...maybe even got a record deal......you know how freakin much fun it was.

Watching dirt-poor friends become rich and famous (Jake E. Lee [Ozzy] and many more)...... Hangin' out with and Partying with Motley Crue, Ratt, Guns & Roses, Metallica, Poison (and all the chicks and other famous people that those folks attracted)....THAT was way cool.

I know some of you have actually done a thing or two in the metal business....and some of you are into way heavier metal, and are a lot younger than me. But I can imagine that some of you are simply angry, rebellious posers and/or arm-chair critics....maybe still bangin away in your garage...or maybe you've played a Tuesday night in your local downtown dive.

But the 80's metal scene was a defining era in Rock...just as 60's and 70's rock laid a pivotal foundation. And I'm proud to have been a recording contributing member....not a POSER....and survived.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:42 pm 
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But the 80's metal scene was a defining era in Rock...just as 60's and 70's rock laid a pivotal foundation. And I'm proud to have been a recording contributing member....not a POSER....and survived.


Survived and made something of your life. :cool:


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Thats fine, but you have to admit, a lot of the guys in that scene were absolute posers. When image becomes more important than the music, you are a sell out poser. I don't care what scene you are a part of or what time period. Look at the Stones, they put out some of the greatest rock music ever, and then they posed out and started releasing image laiden crap music with no soul in it. If the rest of the Sexist songs sound as good as that one track, then you need not worry about being a poser.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:23 am 
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Thats fine, but you have to admit, a lot of the guys in that scene were absolute posers. When image becomes more important than the music, you are a sell out poser. I don't care what scene you are a part of or what time period. Look at the Stones, they put out some of the greatest rock music ever, and then they posed out and started releasing image laiden crap music with no soul in it. If the rest of the Sexist songs sound as good as that one track, then you need not worry about being a poser.

No offense, but it's people like you that put more thought into a look! You can't wear a feathered boa, spandex and a half shirt and play good music? Why not? Who're you to determine how much effort a band puts into their look? Maybe in the 80s those band actually liked looking like that considering it was the goddamn style! Do you wake up everyday with your ass stinkin', night-goo all over your lips, and your hair all fucked up and just go to work like that? Of course you don't, you get your "image" straight every day before you do anything. Are you a poser? Who determines that?

Do you have to dress like a homeless dude with a "metal" t-shirt—that you totally bought at Hot Topic even if you won't admit it—and ripped jeans in order to be metal? ?

Image

Is that not an image? That image is an 80s image, one that you and your band are clearly working very hard at maintaining! Aren't you focusing too much on image, then? So concerned with your look and the look of others!

The concept of being a "poser" is so hypocritical it's hilarious! Its like the early 90s straightedge kids that were so AGAINST organized religion that the turned the straightedge movement into an organized fucking religion! It's a joke.


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Ken's black and white vision strikes again. :rolleyes:

*gets the fuck out of here*


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:02 pm 
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Both Terror and Eyesore make good points. What I meant by "poser" was the guys who dressed the part and did not (or barely) even play an instrument and strutted the strip, man.

Now, Terror takes it to a valid level as well. That I suppose took place....hitting the '80's scene before really developing as a musician. So the main concern was getting "the look" going while fumbling around with the instrument they had only been playing for a couple years. Yeah...that would constitute a "poser."

But Eyesore is absolutely correct. Whatever "the look" is, needs to be considered when you're hitting the circuit.

When we first hit the hollywood scene as Sexist, we were doing the black spandex, black leather, studded arm/wrist bands (taken directly from Judas Priest). But, man, you naturally just started paying attention to the bands that were selling places out and getting record deals.

George Lynch (Dokken [guitarist extraordinaire]) himself--when Nirvana and the Seattle grunge took over in the early nineties--said, "Holy crap, I guess I gotta go get some flannel shirts and torn up jeans now."

So, yeah...if image is more important than musicianship...that band or person would have the cart before the horse and would be suffering from acute poserosis.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:16 pm 
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Eyesore wrote:
Holy_Terror wrote:
Thats fine, but you have to admit, a lot of the guys in that scene were absolute posers. When image becomes more important than the music, you are a sell out poser. I don't care what scene you are a part of or what time period. Look at the Stones, they put out some of the greatest rock music ever, and then they posed out and started releasing image laiden crap music with no soul in it. If the rest of the Sexist songs sound as good as that one track, then you need not worry about being a poser.

No offense, but it's people like you that put more thought into a look! You can't wear a feathered boa, spandex and a half shirt and play good music? Why not? Who're you to determine how much effort a band puts into their look? Maybe in the 80s those band actually liked looking like that considering it was the goddamn style! Do you wake up everyday with your ass stinkin', night-goo all over your lips, and your hair all fucked up and just go to work like that? Of course you don't, you get your "image" straight every day before you do anything. Are you a poser? Who determines that?

Do you have to dress like a homeless dude with a "metal" t-shirt—that you totally bought at Hot Topic even if you won't admit it—and ripped jeans in order to be metal? ?

Image

Is that not an image? That image is an 80s image, one that you and your band are clearly working very hard at maintaining! Aren't you focusing too much on image, then? So concerned with your look and the look of others!

The concept of being a "poser" is so hypocritical it's hilarious! Its like the early 90s straightedge kids that were so AGAINST organized religion that the turned the straightedge movement into an organized fucking religion! It's a joke.


Metal heads dress like metal heads. There is no effort to convey a certain image whatsoever. I am a heavy metal fan who enjoys wearing denim and Iron Maiden shirts. To tell us that we try to look that way is insulting because you are implying that we are "retrto". We just love heavy metal and support the music as much as we can.

ANd once again you totally missed the point. It's not how you dress that makes you a poser. You're only a poser if the way you look is more important than the music.

It seems like a pretty reasonable conclusion that I've made. And if you think you're going to make a point by using pictures of my brother and I than I suggest you use another tactic before you start bordering on the offensive.

That picture of us actually does more to prove you wrong than anything. Our image actually matters very little to us. If it did than you would notice a marked change in our appearence. I would have longer hair, be wearing spandex, and my Iron Maiden tee-shirt would be a cut off. My brother would have more styled hair, and wouldnt look as unkempt as he does. So if you're trying to tell me that he's a poser because he has long hair, a denim jacket, and only likes old school heavy metal, than you have a lot of work ahead of you because you will never be able to convice me that you're right.

And Im sorry, but image is not something that needs to be comtemplated very much. Way too much emphasis is placed on image when its the music that should do the talking.

And the glam scene in the 80's was a perfect example of it. Look at bands like Poison and the Bullet Boyz. Those bands musically are of little significance, but they wore feathered boas and bright colors to get more attention.

I've heard numerous interviews with people from that scene saying that the only thing those bands wanted was to have a video on Mtv. A video????? What happened to the days of having a hit record?? This is where things went wrong, when bands worried more about being seen then being heard.

That is my point eyesore. Hopefully you get the point this time. And in the future have a little bit more respect for my brother and I and leave pictures of us out of arguments.


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You guys look rocking to me man........


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hmm... aren't flying V's kind of cliché? I'm not saying anythng here, just sort of wondering...

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How do you quote someone and get it in those boxes?....anybody

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:12 pm 
Holy_Terror wrote:
That is my point eyesore. Hopefully you get the point this time. And in the future have a little bit more respect for my brother and I and leave pictures of us out of arguments.

Respect? You're one of the rudest people on this forum, if not the rudest. You constantly talk shit and make ridiculous accusations that are based in ignorance. You're insulting, and you make blanket assumptions and generalizations constantly, and now you want respect? Pffft!

My reply was not to be disrespectful. I fully understood what you said, but I was trying to point out that image is important to EVERYONE! Including you, your brother, and your band. To say that "metalheads dress like metalheads" shows a conscious decision and motivation to dress a certain way. How is that any different from Poison wanting to dress like chicks? Because their image was more important? I would like to see your band playing in turtlenecks, khakis and Birkenstocks. You would NEVER do that, though, because you know that your image is VERY important to you. You wouldn't say "metalheads dress like metalheads" if it wasn't. I have been a metalhead for 20 years now, much more of a metalhead than you, and I shop at Old Navy. Am I now less of a metalhead because I don't dress like a "metalhead" (i.e. how you and your brother dress?). By your justification I am not a metalhead because I don't dress like one! But, then, how can you suggest that if image doesn't matter to you?

I agree that some bands took image to a new level—and still do—but a very minute amount. At the end of the day, a poser poses. A poser makes comments like "metalheads dress like metalheads." I'm not saying you're a poser, just trying to make you think a little.


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How do you quote someone and get it in those boxes?....anybody

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Click the "QUOTE" button, bro. Or before whatever you want to respond to type in [quote] and then at the end type the same thing but put a / before the "Q" (like this: [/q oute] but without the space, of course).


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Eyesore wrote:
Holy_Terror wrote:
Thats fine, but you have to admit, a lot of the guys in that scene were absolute posers. When image becomes more important than the music, you are a sell out poser. I don't care what scene you are a part of or what time period. Look at the Stones, they put out some of the greatest rock music ever, and then they posed out and started releasing image laiden crap music with no soul in it. If the rest of the Sexist songs sound as good as that one track, then you need not worry about being a poser.

No offense, but it's people like you that put more thought into a look! You can't wear a feathered boa, spandex and a half shirt and play good music? Why not? Who're you to determine how much effort a band puts into their look? Maybe in the 80s those band actually liked looking like that considering it was the goddamn style! Do you wake up everyday with your ass stinkin', night-goo all over your lips, and your hair all fucked up and just go to work like that? Of course you don't, you get your "image" straight every day before you do anything. Are you a poser? Who determines that?

Do you have to dress like a homeless dude with a "metal" t-shirt—that you totally bought at Hot Topic even if you won't admit it—and ripped jeans in order to be metal? ?

Image

Is that not an image? That image is an 80s image, one that you and your band are clearly working very hard at maintaining! Aren't you focusing too much on image, then? So concerned with your look and the look of others!

The concept of being a "poser" is so hypocritical it's hilarious! Its like the early 90s straightedge kids that were so AGAINST organized religion that the turned the straightedge movement into an organized fucking religion! It's a joke.


You forget about the many, many shitty 80's Rock bands that obviously spent more time styling their hair than practising their instruments. CC DeVille would be a guitar legend if he spent half the time playing his guitar as he did trying to look like a chick. Instead he's remembered as being a sub-par player, and the albums with Richie Kotzen and Blues Saraceno have way more artistic merit. The image should never be MORE important than the music.


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