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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:03 am 
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1.Symphony X
2.Dream Theater
3.Evergrey


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Eyesore wrote:
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Why are so many people listing power metal bands?


like what?

Space Odyssey
Time Requiem
Kenziner
Shadow Gallery
Symphony X

I consider them to be power metal, not prog.


I think you are right that they are not "pure" prog, but there isn't much "power" about them, so you are wrong.

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Not much "power" about them?? Have you heard them?


yes, have you?


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Haven't listened to much of prog metal. But I luv Fate's Warning. I think Shadow Gallery is good too though they are a mix of hard rock & metal.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:24 pm 
spiral architect
adagio
threshold
zero hour


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WinterIsComing wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
WinterIsComing wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
WinterIsComing wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
Why are so many people listing power metal bands?


like what?

Space Odyssey
Time Requiem
Kenziner
Shadow Gallery
Symphony X

I consider them to be power metal, not prog.


I think you are right that they are not "pure" prog, but there isn't much "power" about them, so you are wrong.

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Not much "power" about them?? Have you heard them?


yes, have you?


I would guess he has. Saying Kenziner and Symphony X aren't power metal is just wrong.


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Radagast wrote:
WinterIsComing wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
WinterIsComing wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
WinterIsComing wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
Why are so many people listing power metal bands?


like what?

Space Odyssey
Time Requiem
Kenziner
Shadow Gallery
Symphony X

I consider them to be power metal, not prog.


I think you are right that they are not "pure" prog, but there isn't much "power" about them, so you are wrong.

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Not much "power" about them?? Have you heard them?


yes, have you?


I would guess he has. Saying Kenziner and Symphony X aren't power metal is just wrong.


they have some power metal elements, but are more prog.


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Kenziner are more Neoclassical than Progressive.

Of course the whole debate can be ended by calling them Progressive Power Metal.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:23 pm 
Genres suck! :D Let's leave it at that! Hahaha.


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Radagast wrote:
Kenziner are more Neoclassical than Progressive.

Of course the whole debate can be ended by calling them Progressive Power Metal.


yeah, but neoclassical is much more closer to prog

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Genres suck! Let's leave it at that! Hahaha.


they do indeed, but you are the one who started complaining about it.


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Opeth
Symphony X
Yes
Rush


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:16 am 
WinterIsComing wrote:
Radagast wrote:
Kenziner are more Neoclassical than Progressive.

Of course the whole debate can be ended by calling them Progressive Power Metal.


yeah, but neoclassical is much more closer to prog

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Genres suck! Let's leave it at that! Hahaha.


they do indeed, but you are the one who started complaining about it.

I wasn't complaining, just pointing out that power metal bands with some progressive elements are still power metal bands. Progressive is Dream Theater, they have power metal elements, but they're a progressive metal band. The bands I mentioned are not in the same general style as Dream Theater, but a band like Redemption or Zero Hour is.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:51 pm 
let's just call them power / prog metal, aye?


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:09 pm 
Watchtower
Pagan's Mind
Spiral Architect
Conception


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If we're being broad about it:

Arcturus
Beyond Twilight
Pain of Salvation ('Be' excluded)
Anacrusis
Meshuggah
Spiral Architect
Edge of Sanity
Dodheimsgard
Emperor
Time Requiem (only just got into them)


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Radical Cut wrote:
Pain of Salvation ('Be' excluded)




Why is 'Be' excluded?! I have the dvd and fucken love it.

I also like Porcupine Tree ALOT as well as Threshold and Ayreon/Star One.


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Septimus wrote:
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Pain of Salvation ('Be' excluded)




Why is 'Be' excluded?! I have the dvd and fucken love it.

I also like Porcupine Tree ALOT as well as Threshold and Ayreon/Star One.

Because as far as I can tell it's an awful album. I've tried to get into it repeatedly but I just can't do it. The awesome vocals, memorable melodies, excellent musicianship, great songwriting, and so on, that made albums like Entropia and Remedy Lane incredible just aren't there. Instead we get a bunch of filler tracks with people leaving messages on God's answering machine, and a bunch of meandering world music crap. I can handle that they left the metal behind, but they should have kept something good from their past.


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Fates Warning. No other prog metal bands can match them.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:39 am 
Here is my list! :)

Pain of Salvation (Be was the shit....best thing that ever came out of the mastermind of POS. A lot of people didnt get it at first, but its a fantastic album.)

Queensryche
Ayreon
Tool
Dream Theater (sometimes)
ARK
Spastic Ink
Devin Townsend

Labyrinth's latest album (yes its more prog than power this time..)

About Symphony X being prog or power, this is my take on it. Now I prefer not to be the center of discussion since this subject is supposely dead perhaps in this thread. And besides that, it may be months before I come back again to look at this board. So argueing with me is pretty much useless and I rather not argue with fellow metalheads any way over a silly topic. So here goes!

I have NEVER considered it prog and this is the reason why:

1. The themes are clearly related to that of power metal themes. They always do fantasy and mythological shit, and we know the metal genre who does a lot of that......

2. There is nothing PROG about symphony x, they dont do anything extremely unique in my opinion nor have they done much style mixing and experimentation. In fact, I would say there is little differnece than that of...Rhapsody, except they are "heavier" and less symphonic in some cases, and have a few time cool proggy style riffing at times. Just because they got heavier lately doesnt mean they are prog. Maybe at one point they were prog, in the earlier years, but I think lately they kind of skimped on the prog stuff. Besides that...I think all the guitar work sounds the same after a while...I dont think michael romeo has grown much in the past few years as far as skill wise. But that is just my personal opinion, yours may be different.

3. Yes they do have some prog ELEMENTS as far as a few things on the guitar (odd time signatures at times, some skill...), but that doesnt mean they are prog. They arent even really THAT crazy with that stuff any way. Besides that...roots dont seem very much to what the original roots were for prog metal (which is a modified heavier variation of prog rock).

4. Saying Symphony X is prog is like saying Secret Sphere's latest album is Prog, and we all laugh at that fact. So please, Its not an insult to call it power metal. It DOES lean more towards the Power metal side...so I have a proposed term for all of those bands that give us a hard time:

Its all just "Progressive Power Metal." and we will leave it at that....its not exactly prog, not exactly power. And thats the term I prefer to use instead of making a lot of useless arguing with people that insist this or that is prog or power. Besides that, I stopped listening to Symphony X after the odyssey...which I disliked with a passion. But thats for another day and I prefer not getting monkeys jumping on my back becuase I dislike the album.


But Prog metal in general, to me, is being way over saturated with bull crap. The term flies WAY too easily on any band that anybody likes or sounds like DT or FW or whatever. Prog should have no boundries, no set characterisitics except very very FEW losely defined characteristics. The type that if you are a veteran of the music, you can just tell if its Prog or not. A person just coming into the scene should not be able to distinct prog from anything else becuase its suppose to be difficult to define.

Dont get me wrong, I like some bands even if they sound like DT or whatever. But a lot of times bands sound like recycled sounds in this genre after a while. Pagans Mind has a song that sounds so much like DT's Learning to Live. Chroma Key pretty much has that heavy DT influence. And the rest sound like TOOL....or copy TOOL. If you listen to a lot of DT's later albums..they rip Tool A LOT. And FW is beginning to sound like TOOL as well.

Im not Prog metal bashing, I love the genre, but I really hate what its turning into. Its no longer fresh with ideas and pushing the limits and the borders beyond its original little world. I really want to see it reborn again. I will continue listening and exploring; but where its at, right now, is Progressive Rock....surprisingly. Its come alive with really good music again...well at least with a few bands. Which no doubt, there will be 40,000 other clones ripping off the same idea.

It drives me nuts how bands copy sounds way too closely and never develop a personal style. Instead they sit in their little bubble and find musicians EXACTLY like them and so the sound comes out exactly like the band they are trying to copy. Yet they dont want to mix styles and turn out something a bit different.

And yes..probably everything in the world has been done as far as musically, but there are ALWAYS those select few that manage to find a way to push the limits again. Those are the things I want to see from the Prog Metal genre. Its difficult, but its doable for dedicated musicians. Becuase Prog shouldnt have trends....and it does right now and it sucks.

But this is just my opinion, so whatever.


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Well fuck you if you think i'm going to read all that.

Dream Theater
Symphony X
Pagan's Mind


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Tool sounds nothing like Dream Theater.


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