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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:56 am 
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I'm sure you knew thus was coming but i'm going to have to completely disagree. If they came out niw they would be far superior to anything else, including everything Hellween as done to date. Those albums had an energy and spirit that todays acts dnt even come c,ose to.

No way. A couple of great songs, some good songs, a couple shit songs ("Rise and Fall," for instance) and filler tracks.

Keeper 3 blows those two away, quality-wise.

Totally disagree. All Deris-era material is watered down, generic, and tired sounding. When Kai Hansen left the band went to shit.

I think, because those early albums were such defining albums, that you—and many other people—are incapable of accepting that Helloween's classic material may not be as good as the non-classics.

Of course, you very well may like those early albums more; but to suggest that the Deris-era albums are watered down and generic is, in my opinion, absurd. I can't imagine that, if those are watered down and generic, the previous albums are not as well. That sort of thinking just doesn't make sense to me.

I find Deris to be an awful singer and the music to be wholly uninteresting. The drop in quality is too much for me. I always listen to see if maybe there is something interesting again but they are now a part of the indistinguishable mass of boring power metal bands.

Ha! I'm the opposite. Kiske, to me, is just another singer, similar to a million others. While Deris, I think, has a much more unique style.

Either way, I love the Kiske/Kai era of Helloween. Hell, I even find Chameleon and Pink Bubbles Go Ape enjoyable from time to time. But I definitely enjoy the Deris-era much more.


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Masshole McDinglenuts wrote:
A couple of great songs, some good songs, a couple shit songs ("Rise and Fall," for instance) and filler tracks.


I like Rise and Fall... :sad:


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Masshole McDinglenuts wrote:
Holy_Terror wrote:
Masshole McDinglenuts wrote:
Holy_Terror wrote:
Masshole McDinglenuts wrote:
Holy_Terror wrote:
I'm sure you knew thus was coming but i'm going to have to completely disagree. If they came out niw they would be far superior to anything else, including everything Hellween as done to date. Those albums had an energy and spirit that todays acts dnt even come c,ose to.

No way. A couple of great songs, some good songs, a couple shit songs ("Rise and Fall," for instance) and filler tracks.

Keeper 3 blows those two away, quality-wise.

Totally disagree. All Deris-era material is watered down, generic, and tired sounding. When Kai Hansen left the band went to shit.

I think, because those early albums were such defining albums, that you—and many other people—are incapable of accepting that Helloween's classic material may not be as good as the non-classics.

Of course, you very well may like those early albums more; but to suggest that the Deris-era albums are watered down and generic is, in my opinion, absurd. I can't imagine that, if those are watered down and generic, the previous albums are not as well. That sort of thinking just doesn't make sense to me.

I find Deris to be an awful singer and the music to be wholly uninteresting. The drop in quality is too much for me. I always listen to see if maybe there is something interesting again but they are now a part of the indistinguishable mass of boring power metal bands.

Ha! I'm the opposite. Kiske, to me, is just another singer, similar to a million others. While Deris, I think, has a much more unique style.

Either way, I love the Kiske/Kai era of Helloween. Hell, I even find Chameleon and Pink Bubbles Go Ape enjoyable from time to time. But I definitely enjoy the Deris-era much more.


I have to agree with Masshole here...

I find the Deris years of Helloween to be far more enjoyable than the Kiske-era. I've heard the early Helloween material and I really don't like Kiske's vocals...and I don't think the first two "Keepers" albums are as good as the hype people have given them. Deris led Helloween blows that early Kiske stuff away IMO...


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Trooper Of Steel wrote:
Masshole McDinglenuts wrote:
Holy_Terror wrote:
Masshole McDinglenuts wrote:
Holy_Terror wrote:
Masshole McDinglenuts wrote:
Holy_Terror wrote:
I'm sure you knew thus was coming but i'm going to have to completely disagree. If they came out niw they would be far superior to anything else, including everything Hellween as done to date. Those albums had an energy and spirit that todays acts dnt even come c,ose to.

No way. A couple of great songs, some good songs, a couple shit songs ("Rise and Fall," for instance) and filler tracks.

Keeper 3 blows those two away, quality-wise.

Totally disagree. All Deris-era material is watered down, generic, and tired sounding. When Kai Hansen left the band went to shit.

I think, because those early albums were such defining albums, that you—and many other people—are incapable of accepting that Helloween's classic material may not be as good as the non-classics.

Of course, you very well may like those early albums more; but to suggest that the Deris-era albums are watered down and generic is, in my opinion, absurd. I can't imagine that, if those are watered down and generic, the previous albums are not as well. That sort of thinking just doesn't make sense to me.

I find Deris to be an awful singer and the music to be wholly uninteresting. The drop in quality is too much for me. I always listen to see if maybe there is something interesting again but they are now a part of the indistinguishable mass of boring power metal bands.

Ha! I'm the opposite. Kiske, to me, is just another singer, similar to a million others. While Deris, I think, has a much more unique style.

Either way, I love the Kiske/Kai era of Helloween. Hell, I even find Chameleon and Pink Bubbles Go Ape enjoyable from time to time. But I definitely enjoy the Deris-era much more.


I have to agree with Masshole here...

I find the Deris years of Helloween to be far more enjoyable than the Kiske-era. I've heard the early Helloween material and I really don't like Kiske's vocals...and I don't think the first two "Keepers" albums are as good as the hype people have given them. Deris led Helloween blows that early Kiske stuff away IMO...


Frankly I'm suprised anyone would prefer new Helloween to the old stuff, but to each his own i guess.


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I disagree with both of you: the Deris era Helloween doesn't blow away anything from the Hansen/Kiske Helloween era;and the Deris era isn't watered down, generic and tired sounding.

Walls of Jericho, the Helloween ep, The Keepers pt 1 and 2 , the Master of the Rings and The Time of the Oath, all of them are great albums, imo.

And Andi Deris is a singer that has a unique personality, and a very talented songwriter.


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