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Why are you defending Nu-metal Ken?

I thought the trend would be dead by now...but there are still a few bands that keep it alive *sigh*


And a few people.

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i don't despise any genres actually. but i have yet to hear some really good nu-metal


Mudvayne is an okay band.

Back on topic, I'll give the song on their Myspace a listen later today. Then we'll see if you're defending shit again, Kenny.


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Mudvayne is an okay band.



nonono eeww


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Mudvayne is an okay band.



nonono eeww


Doesn't mean I'll ever own anything by them. By 'okay', I meant that their music is slightly more tolerable.


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Why are you defending Nu-metal Ken?

I thought the trend would be dead by now...but there are still a few bands that keep it alive *sigh*

Who is defending nu-metal? Only an idiot makes blanket statements about an entire genre. There are some shitty nu-metal bands out there, but for every shitty nu-metal band there's a shitty power metal band, or prog-metal band, or death metal band. Then again, what's shitty and what isn't? Who's to say! It's all opinion. But labeling every band in a genre is arrogant and blatantly ignorant, not to mention idiotic at best.


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The listener, you pretentious buttcrack.


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The Necrodude wrote:
Why are you defending Nu-metal Ken?

I thought the trend would be dead by now...but there are still a few bands that keep it alive *sigh*

Who is defending nu-metal? Only an idiot makes blanket statements about an entire genre. There are some shitty nu-metal bands out there, but for every shitty nu-metal band there's a shitty power metal band, or prog-metal band, or death metal band. Then again, what's shitty and what isn't? Who's to say! It's all opinion. But labeling every band in a genre is arrogant and blatantly ignorant, not to mention idiotic at best.


Once again I agree! :blink: When did you start making sense Kenny? :wink:

@Octavirus : STFU, vol.2


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Stefan wrote:
Afro Lint wrote:
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Why are you defending Nu-metal Ken?

I thought the trend would be dead by now...but there are still a few bands that keep it alive *sigh*

Who is defending nu-metal? Only an idiot makes blanket statements about an entire genre. There are some shitty nu-metal bands out there, but for every shitty nu-metal band there's a shitty power metal band, or prog-metal band, or death metal band. Then again, what's shitty and what isn't? Who's to say! It's all opinion. But labeling every band in a genre is arrogant and blatantly ignorant, not to mention idiotic at best.


Once again I agree! :blink: When did you start making sense Kenny? :wink:

@Octavirus : STFU, vol.2


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The listener, you pretentious buttcrack.


+1

While its certainly true that there are shitty power, death and prog etc bands, the entire Nu-metal genre as a whole is fairly shitty according to my opinion and this is also the general consensus among "true" metal heads. Plus, i'd take shitty power metal over good Nu-metal anyday of the week :D


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The Necrodude wrote:
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Who's to say!


The listener, you pretentious buttcrack.


+1

While its certainly true that there are shitty power, death and prog etc bands, the entire Nu-metal genre as a whole is fairly shitty according to my opinion and this is also the general consensus among "true" metal heads. Plus, i'd take shitty power metal over good Nu-metal anyday of the week :D


Mudvayne > Mortician

Anywhere, anytime, anyplace.


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Legacy Of The Night wrote:
The Necrodude wrote:
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Who's to say!


The listener, you pretentious buttcrack.


+1

While its certainly true that there are shitty power, death and prog etc bands, the entire Nu-metal genre as a whole is fairly shitty according to my opinion and this is also the general consensus among "true" metal heads. Plus, i'd take shitty power metal over good Nu-metal anyday of the week :D


Mudvayne > Mortician

Anywhere, anytime, anyplace.


Really?....What's so great about Mudvayne?


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The Necrodude wrote:
Legacy Of The Night wrote:
The Necrodude wrote:
TheOctavarius wrote:
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Who's to say!


The listener, you pretentious buttcrack.


+1

While its certainly true that there are shitty power, death and prog etc bands, the entire Nu-metal genre as a whole is fairly shitty according to my opinion and this is also the general consensus among "true" metal heads. Plus, i'd take shitty power metal over good Nu-metal anyday of the week :D


Mudvayne > Mortician

Anywhere, anytime, anyplace.


Really?....What's so great about Mudvayne?


The songs. They have a lot of awesome ones. That, and the earlier albums were more technical than most other Nu Metal bands. And the FUCKING BASSIST is awesome.


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metal_xxx wrote:
i don't despise any genres actually. but i have yet to hear some really good nu-metal


I could reccomend a few:

Disturbed is always good.

I love Dope, despite what everyone says. I think they mix good rhythmic feel, strong melodies and excting tempos. They are like the modern day motley crue as far as I'm concerned. everyone that just heard some of thier first album will say i'm dumb for saying that, but I think it is true of everything after that, which is what Edsel intends to sound like. Thier strength lies in thier production and song writing, not thier technical ability. Edsel is a great producer, If I had to pick a producer and peter collins (produced rush's ultra-slick 80's albums), michael omartian (80's producer) and tom scholz (boston) were busy, he'd be my pick. They rely primarily on strong melodies and solid groove, which are my two pet peeves.

Mudvayne's LD50 is simply a masterpiece, I can't say enough good things about this album in particular, everything else they've done is a dissapointment comparitively.

Slipknot's Iowa is one of my favorite albums ever. It is a solid metal album, of course every detractor refuses to listen to it nor could they be objective about it.

On that note, stone sour's debut is as solid as it gets as well. Groove metal at its finest, a slower, less thrashy and solo-less pantera.

I like most of mushroomhead's xiii. its great in its simplicity. it has some boring songs but some groove heavy moments. its got a beautiful and dark mood to it. I guess to me, its like a crazy acid-trip of an album without all the hippies and peace pretentions attached.

Cold's 13 ways to bleed on stage has it's moments, but not too many.

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sorry, i forgot, there are solos on stone sour's album, i just remembered that awesome one from "take a number"

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metal_xxx wrote:
i don't despise any genres actually. but i have yet to hear some really good nu-metal


I could reccomend a few:

Disturbed is always good.

I love Dope, despite what everyone says. I think they mix good rhythmic feel, strong melodies and excting tempos. They are like the modern day motley crue as far as I'm concerned. everyone that just heard some of thier first album will say i'm dumb for saying that, but I think it is true of everything after that, which is what Edsel intends to sound like. Thier strength lies in thier production and song writing, not thier technical ability. Edsel is a great producer, If I had to pick a producer and peter collins (produced rush's ultra-slick 80's albums), michael omartian (80's producer) and tom scholz (boston) were busy, he'd be my pick. They rely primarily on strong melodies and solid groove, which are my two pet peeves.

Mudvayne's LD50 is simply a masterpiece, I can't say enough good things about this album in particular, everything else they've done is a dissapointment comparitively.

Slipknot's Iowa is one of my favorite albums ever. It is a solid metal album, of course every detractor refuses to listen to it nor could they be objective about it.

On that note, stone sour's debut is as solid as it gets as well. Groove metal at its finest, a slower, less thrashy and solo-less pantera.

I like most of mushroomhead's xiii. its great in its simplicity. it has some boring songs but some groove heavy moments. its got a beautiful and dark mood to it. I guess to me, its like a crazy acid-trip of an album without all the hippies and peace pretentions attached.

Cold's 13 ways to bleed on stage has it's moments, but not too many.


I've always heard Dope as a sort of Marilyn Manson rip-off band. But then again, I haven't heard them in a while, so I might be wrong.

The End Of All Things To Come has some fantastic songs on it as well. Mercy, Severity is one of the best songs Mudvayne has written.

I like Slipknot's self-titled better. It's so aggressive. That opening riff of (sic) is really, really heavy. People don't believe me when I say that album has no filler, but it's true. Just remember to get rid of Me Inside and put Frail Limb Nursery and Purity in it's place. Purity is Slipknot's best song, imo.

And I like Mushroomhead's XX better. XIII is kinda bland after the first couple songs, but XX is very creative. Plus the hidden track is fucking nice.


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Edsel dope has admitted the first album was an attempt to cash in on MM's success at the time (in 1999) but it took a much more melodic direction on the second and subsequent albums due to Virus co-writing the majority of the songs. Edsel just started getting smart and started realising he could have a much better career by emulating the 80's bands he loves (both pop and hair bands) sense of melody moreso than the inevitability of his previous work being a passing fad-ridden collection.

There is a lot of monotone singing and riffs on Felons and Revolutionaries, but Everything after really just WORKS for them. I thought he would run out of good ideas by now, but apparently not, thier latest album is just as solid as Life.

I will mention that 2001's Life was very much critically acclaimed. Metal Sludge HATES the band in general for some apparent reason and still gave it a 9/10.

I think thier first album is really weak, Life must be heard, if people hate it, fine, but I think people should give them a second chance after the debacle that was felons and revolutionaries.

The band's lineup changed drastically for the better as well after that album.

Sorry for the long defense of the album, but I really believe in this band's ability to make great, fun music.

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Alright ladies, let's direct ourselves back to Ayreon Land....


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The listener, you pretentious buttcrack.

Way to go, Capt. Obvious. That was the fucking point.


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The listener, you pretentious buttcrack.

Way to go, Capt. Obvious. That was the fucking point.


Go change your diaper.


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Legacy Of The Night wrote:
The Necrodude wrote:
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Who's to say!


The listener, you pretentious buttcrack.


+1

While its certainly true that there are shitty power, death and prog etc bands, the entire Nu-metal genre as a whole is fairly shitty according to my opinion and this is also the general consensus among "true" metal heads. Plus, i'd take shitty power metal over good Nu-metal anyday of the week :D


Mudvayne > Mortician

Anywhere, anytime, anyplace.


My grandmother farting> Mortician


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disturbed is okay... Its always played at the gym..

Slipknot - Nah
Mudvayne - Nah
Stone Sour - OK, nothing big


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