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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:43 pm 
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No offense, but maybe you have something against long songs? I dont know.
There is no such thing as too much riffs. The more riffs the better.


Nobody is complaining about too many riffs. Metallica's longer songs just have the same amount of riffs as a regular four minute long song of theirs, and thus generally they get boring (there are exceptions, of course). I'm a big fan of long thrash songs, but more often then not, bands have trouble pulling them off. The only bands that really pulled them off very consistently were Heathen and Dark Angel, and thats because of the insane number of riffs each song had.


Thanks Brahm, that's exactly what I meant. I said it needs more riffs, not less.

It's honorable to jump ship when you're music is dying? Does not the captain go down with the ship? No, changing sound for money is selling out and changing sound for fear that nobody will like you anymore is being a pussy. There's a difference between maturing and changing your sound; yes, maturing implies changing your sound, but not the other way around. Look at Ulver. They didn't sell out, but anyone who says they never changed their sound never listened to more than one album.


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Look at Ulver. They didn't sell out, but anyone who says they never changed their sound never listened to more than one album.


Same thing goes for a band like Blind Guardian. Listen to their first few records and compare them to their later releases. Very different. But they didnt change to a sound that was popular at the time, they changed cause they felt it was the natural evolution of their sound.

With their last few albums, Metallica perhaps started off as making smart money, but quickly devolved in to a typical sell-out, the Napster case is enough proof of that, IMHO. And its pretty sad when some one claims they are being sued by Metallica for using the E-chord, and people (if only for a split second) actually believed it. Next thing you know, Metallica is gonna try to trademark the concept of selling-out :roll:


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Everything here is right,everyone is right,but whatever Metallica did or tried to do,the point is that Load & Reload contain damn fine music,and that's all about.


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Everything here is right,everyone is right,but whatever Metallica did or tried to do,the point is that Load & Reload contain damn fine music,and that's all about.


some will argue that's when they sold out (though some others would think it's with the black album)... actually, it seems every time a metal band changes because change is natural he is accused of selling out (Katatonia or Samael being exceptions to that "rule")... who said metal was conservative ??? :roll:

on the Load/Reload issue, I stronly think that taking the best songs from both albums (basically they were the same sessions) would have made one (if not the) best Metallica album... but G'n'R did the same mistake with Use Your Illusion and so did (in a very different genre) Radiohead with Kid A/mnesiac... not every band can put out great double albums like Led Zep (Physical Graffiti), The Beatles (White album), Genesis (The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway) or The Clash (London Calling)... :(


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A little off topic, but I read somewhere that there was a die hard metallica fan who developed a website with tons of the band's info on it. Metallica asked the guy to either pay them for using their logo on his site, or he would have to take the logo off or shut down his site failing which the band would sue him or shut down his site. Think the guy was so crazy about the band he gave in. Not sure if he paid them, took their logo off his site or shut it down. Whatever, he still remains a metallica fan. Is this true?


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It proabably was true, but it wouldnt be the band themselves doing that, it would be the label, their lawyers, etc.
I know that they have issues, shit what band doesnt, theirs are just exploited more cause their so big.

I guess none of us are gonna budge on where we stand with this band, which is cool. It makes for good reading.

For the record Brahm_K, i have every Priest album except that piece of crap Jugulator


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In that case, you should know that Judas Priest in general does not release pure speed metal albums. For every Exciter there is a Heroes End, and both are equally as good.


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Trooper Of Steel wrote:
I guess none of us are gonna budge on where we stand with this band, which is cool. It makes for good reading.


I agree; let it be known that I mean no offense by anything I post, but at the same time I can't honestly say anything otherwise either.


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Trooper Of Steel wrote:
It proabably was true, but it wouldnt be the band themselves doing that, it would be the label, their lawyers, etc.
I know that they have issues, shit what band doesnt, theirs are just exploited more cause their so big.

I guess none of us are gonna budge on where we stand with this band, which is cool. It makes for good reading.

For the record Brahm_K, i have every Priest album except that piece of crap Jugulator


Jugulator ain't no piece of crap at all ,man! It's more like "Crush your ennemies!"


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Well it was the only one that i didnt like. Wasnt cause of Ripper, just the songwriting. Couldnt get into any of the tracks....


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Hmm... Jugulator certainly isn't too good, but it was better than Demolition and Point of Entry.


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I haven't listened to a Metallica album in years, but I regularly play an Iron Maiden classic like Number of the Beast or Somewhere in Time.

That says it all.


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