Metal Reviews

No i dont agree

BULL-fucking-SHIT

I'm sorry, but from the Black Album onward everything metallica has done has been total sell out bull shit. Thats what happens when you throw a little bit of money at a metal band...they crap out and want even more.

Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner is long and not boring. I actually like that song, but it's got enough riffs for a song half that length. And by the way, I think the song Seventh Son is overlong too.



I agree. I think Maiden should start sucking too. That would make for an awesome album. Thank God Metallica didn't continue to be good.

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Now that is some pure fucking metal, everyone has to admit!

I have no problem with Load,i like it,but giving it a higher score than The Black Album is fuckin' nonsense.Sorry TIE,you know i respect your opinion and agree with you most of the time,but sometimes i have to disagree and to say it!No offense dude.

I have no problem with Load,i like it,but giving it a higher score than The Black Album is fuckin' nonsense.Sorry TIE,you know i respect your opinion and agree with you most of the time,but sometimes i have to disagree and to say it!No offense dude.

By the way, don't get me wrong, I really like Metallica. Just no more than any average metal band. I think Kill 'em All is an awesome album, Ride the Lightning a great album, Master of Puppets good, and, believe it or not, the self-titled isn't bad (though I do really dislike ...And Justice). It's just that I'm not gonna hilight their good points for a discussion like this.

If what's important to this discussion is influence and timing and stuff, then The Ramones are pretty much the best band ever, as far as modern music goes. But would anyone here say The Ramones are better than Iron Maiden? My point is that influence shouldn't define "goodness" (for lack of a better term).

Maybe it is that I wasn't alive for half a decade after Kill 'em All came out, and so maybe I can't comprehend the non-musical influence of Metallica. But then shouldn't the fact that their influence wasn't as timeless as Iron Maiden's be accounted for? And once again, does such historical significance define quality? Take a peek at the Slayer vs. Kreator thread; an exponentially greater number of bands have been influenced by Slayer, uncluding pretty much the entire metalcore scene. But is Slayer better than Kreator? I submit that they are not (perhaps that's not the best example since I agree that Slayer is a generally good band, but it's a claim I can most easily back up).

No offense, but maybe you have something against long songs? I dont know.
There is no such thing as too much riffs. The more riffs the better.

I didnt really think about whether Load was "metal" or not. To me, its just Metallica and thats it. I never defined their music, never called them a thrash band in the 80's...just that they are Metallica. They are metal.

A few people are not liking ...And Justice For All, and i find that to be fucking amazing. Its a killer from beginning to end, my favourite Metallica album by far. Some of their greatest songs come from that album (Blackened, One, Harvester Of Sorrow, Frayed Ends Of Sanity, ...And Justice For All).

I think T.I.E makes a point when he said when Load and everything after came out, one of the reasons for the change is that they are getting older. Remember, when Kill 'Em All and Ride The Lightning came out, they were just 18 year old kids. Jump back to 1996 and they all pretty much have families. Married with kids. Do you really think at 32-33 years of age (in 1996), they are going to continue with the stuff they did when they were 18? Of course not. Married life and children change people. Makes them think different, more mature. One of the reasons they all cut their long hair.
Most metal bands who's members are in their late 30's and 40's do bring their sound down a bit from what it used to be....if even a band survives for that long.
I've never considered Metallica soldout, thats a dangerous word that gets thrown around too much. So fucking what...if a band changes their style...its not like they did it to piss you off personally. Its their band and they do what they want. Just remember how old they are right now...around 40. They cant possibly make albums like they did in the 80's anymore. So the question becomes:

Should they still make their music or call it a day?

Most people would say call it a day cause they cant stand what the've done in the last 10 or so years. It doesnt bother me, whether they continue or not. The only thing i didnt like was St. Anger. I may be a huge fan, but even i hated that album. I was dumbfounded to find out that the sound they did, the off-key vocals, terrible drums, etc....was all done on purpose.
I'll never know what made them do that, but whenever i listen to St. Anger nowdays, i put on that dvd instead that showed them playing in the studio....it sounds heaps better cause the sound was normal. In concert it sounds better too.

My only concern is if they do that same thing again with their next album. If they do, they are finished, but i seriously think with all the shit they coped from that, and even though its their band and they do what they want....that even they will never do another St. Anger ever again.

Both bands are a long time past their peak and are both winding down. Soon they will no longer be a Metallica or Iron Maiden, and when that time comes, it will be a sad day in metal and people will remember them for when they were at their peaks of their careers, influencing shitloads of metal bands and will continue to years after they have retired.

Nobody is complaining about too many riffs. Metallica's longer songs just have the same amount of riffs as a regular four minute long song of theirs, and thus generally they get boring (there are exceptions, of course). I'm a big fan of long thrash songs, but more often then not, bands have trouble pulling them off. The only bands that really pulled them off very consistently were Heathen and Dark Angel, and thats because of the insane number of riffs each song had.




There are generalizations that need to be made, or else anything could be called metal, from Britney Spears to The Beatles. Metallica's last three albums are clearly not metal.


I think T.I.E makes a point when he said when Load and everything after came out, one of the reasons for the change is that they are getting older. Remember, when Kill 'Em All and Ride The Lightning came out, they were just 18 year old kids. Jump back to 1996 and they all pretty much have families. Married with kids. Do you really think at 32-33 years of age (in 1996), they are going to continue with the stuff they did when they were 18? Of course not. Married life and children change people. Makes them think different, more mature. One of the reasons they all cut their long hair.
Most metal bands who's members are in their late 30's and 40's do bring their sound down a bit from what it used to be....if even a band survives for that long.
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Yes, because Iron Maiden and Judas Priest, as soon as they married, immediately starting singing country music in some songs and moved towards a more grungeish sound when grunge was popular, and then released a nu metal album when nu metal was at the height of its popularity. And while most metal bands do tone down a bit as they grow older, very few others have yet to do as complete a style reversal of Metallica did.



But the songs still sucked. Basically, I agree with Emmerder. If a band gets popular, then it is almost certain that they will influence bands, and I hope that we are not using popularity as a judge on how good bands are.

The only thing stopping me from enjoying St. Anger is the way they made it. I'll agree that despite the sound, some of those songs are shit even if the sound was better.
But if the sound was better, i could bear songs like St. Anger, Some Kind Of Monster and The Unnamed Feeling a lot better.

Maiden and Priest are both very different from Metallica. Metallica were heavier than both of them in the 80's. But you must admit that both Maiden and Priest have mellowed out a bit over the last few years. Maiden definatelly with BNW and DOD, and Angel Of Retribution is a tad slower than previous Halford-Priest albums.

Overall, yea. But there are certainly a good number of tracks that are just as aggressive as the classics, namely Judas is Rising, Deal with the Devil, Demonizer, and Hell Rider.

Of course there are still going to be speedier, aggressive tracks much like their older stuff, i'm just making the point that the album is slower overall than normal. It's not a bad thing as "Worth Fighting For" is one of my fav tracks on the album.

What Priest albums with Halford have you heard? Yeah, Ram it Down and Painkiller were faster than Angel of Retribution, but the stuff before that was not.

Changing your style does not equate to selling out. Changing your style with the latest fads equates to selling out.
Metallica took on a softer style with the black album when thrash went out of vogue, then did Load and Reload when grunge and alt-rock were all the rage and finally started drop-tuning their guitars and stopped playing guitar solos to cash in on the nu-metal trend. Dunno about the rest of you guys, but that's what i call selling out.

I don't really see what Load and Reload have got to do with grunge. To me they're hard rock.

Right now i dont consider Metallica to be neither grunge, alt rock or nu-metal.
I think your trying to make something that isnt really there. Black album is heavier than your typical grunge band and Load and Reload is still metal, just not as heavy as they used to be.
Why is selling out because a band changes style because their genre is dying? I call that smart, why keep playing a style that isnt going to get you anywhere years down the track. They need to make money like the rest of us. Look at their side of it, its also a business. Business' need to make money.

Me neither. But they seem to be drawing influence from whatever is hot at the moment, be it grunge, alt-rock or nu-metal. This is a symptom of selling out.


Sorry, are you dyslexic? I did not claim that the black album was grunge. I said that Metallica took on grunge- and alt-rock-influences on Load and Reload (obviously to attract a wider audience and to make more money).

Load and Reload are NOT metal albums! And this is not a matter of opinion.


I respect musicians who are true to their art. I despise opportunism. You call a band changing their style to make more money smart, i call it whoring.

Dude thats exactly what selling out is. Changing your style to make more people like you and make more money. Just because the thrash metal genre was dying out didnt make Sodom or Overkill change their sound...and they're still fucking thrashing into the night. You just listed the very reasons that I hate metallilca. And why they shouldnt be making music anymore. By the time they recorded Load they had made enough money from the black album that they could have retired comfortably. So why continue getting worse. Because they got a taste of success and got greedy. Instead of just appealing to the watered down metal fans, they decided to go for everyone else. Not very metal to me...and not a good reason to make music. Thus they are sell outs and not deserving of any metallic credibility. In fact it makes me question their early endeavors as well.

I still disagree.

I call it dumb for a band to keep playing in a dead genre, the fans may love it, but the band is going NOWHERE. They may have some success, but wouldnt be making as much as they used to. Why do you think so many thrash bands called it quits at the end of the 80's? Some have come back after disbanding for 10 or more years, but not playing as thrashy as they used to.

You can hate Metallica as much as you want and throw around the word sellout to make yourselves feel better, but in the end, they have made the right decisions....except for St. Anger.

They do what they want and love it, instead of being in a genre thats dead and being forced to keep playing in a dead genre cause they cant do anything different and be worried fans like you will turn and call them sellouts....

Here's proof that Metallica have not only changed with the times, but also with age. Look at the back of the Load CD. What does that picture of the band tell you?
They have matured, moved on. Cut their hair, drinking wine/champaign and smoking cigars. They dont have a worry in the world.
Garage Inc....they decided to cover other bands songs where normally every band wants to cover their material. And it wasnt just 80's metal/punk/thrash music, it was rock from all types of bands. Bob Seger, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Nick Cave, Thin Lizzy, Queen, and others.
More proof they they do what they wanna and dont give a fuck.

Wait, dont tell me.....they soldout with Garage Inc so they can grab the fans of punk music and 70's rock, lol. Please....

You clearly are not a Priest fan. All Priest albums, with the exception of Painkiller and perhaps Ram it Down, were mainly composed of mid paced songs with a few fast paced songs thrown in for good measure. As for Maiden, Brave New World and Dance of Death are about as mellow as Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, so I don't see where thats coming from (though of course they are not the same level of quality, but they're damn good).



Are you serious? Have you never heard of musical integrity? Playing music not for money and not compromising in exchange for success? By your logic, metal bands shouldn't exist, as there is a lot more money in the pop and rap industries. Really, you just described everything that is wrong with the music industry.



Ya, not a worry in the world. Thats why they sued Napster, charge exorbant amounts of money for fans to join their fan club and get access to all the parts of their website, and charge $90 for concert tickets. Really, I don't even get the logic of most of your post.