Sepultura - Dante XXI (#3191)

Anonymous · **Posted:** Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:23 pm

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Sepultura - Dante XXI
Thrashcore
Quoted: 60 / 100

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Goat · **Posted:** Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:36 pm

I've noticed you do this a fair bit, claim not to be a particular fan of a band, then give them an average score. I say again, so why are you the one reviewing it? Surely it would make much more sense for someone who is a fan to review it? This album has been hailed as the best thing Sepultura have done since Chaos AD, and you scored it lower than Nation?! I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you here. And Derrick Green's vocals are infinitely superior to Max Cavalera's, even if he is the poorer guitarist.

Radagast · **Posted:** Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:37 pm

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How would a straight-ahead metal-hardcore band reconcile their clear-cut style with the epic nature of the inspiration behind the album?

Exactly what I was thinking. Not that it matters to me, there's no way in hell I'm going to listen this.

rio · **Posted:** Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:03 pm

Radagast wrote:

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How would a straight-ahead metal-hardcore band reconcile their clear-cut style with the epic nature of the inspiration behind the album?

Exactly what I was thinking. Not that it matters to me, there's no way in hell I'm going to listen this.

Really, Sepultura are one of the last bands I would imagine being able to deal with this kind of subject matter. I think I'm with Radagast here: I shall probably just end up never hearing this record.

Goat · **Posted:** Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:04 pm

rio wrote:

Radagast wrote:

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How would a straight-ahead metal-hardcore band reconcile their clear-cut style with the epic nature of the inspiration behind the album?

Exactly what I was thinking. Not that it matters to me, there's no way in hell I'm going to listen this.

Really, Sepultura are one of the last bands I would imagine being able to deal with this kind of subject matter. I think I'm with Radagast here: I shall probably just end up never hearing this record.

Give them credit, at least they're branching out a bit.

rio · **Posted:** Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:08 pm

Zad wrote:

rio wrote:

Radagast wrote:

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How would a straight-ahead metal-hardcore band reconcile their clear-cut style with the epic nature of the inspiration behind the album?

Exactly what I was thinking. Not that it matters to me, there's no way in hell I'm going to listen this.

Really, Sepultura are one of the last bands I would imagine being able to deal with this kind of subject matter. I think I'm with Radagast here: I shall probably just end up never hearing this record.

Give them credit, at least they're branching out a bit.

I suspect that this branching out only extends to lyrical content, and not musical, though?

Goat · **Posted:** Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:10 pm

rio wrote:

Zad wrote:

rio wrote:

Radagast wrote:

Quote:

How would a straight-ahead metal-hardcore band reconcile their clear-cut style with the epic nature of the inspiration behind the album?

Exactly what I was thinking. Not that it matters to me, there's no way in hell I'm going to listen this.

Really, Sepultura are one of the last bands I would imagine being able to deal with this kind of subject matter. I think I'm with Radagast here: I shall probably just end up never hearing this record.

Give them credit, at least they're branching out a bit.

I suspect that this branching out only extends to lyrical content, and not musical, though?

It's a step forwards from Roorback. In truth, Sepultura are one of those bands who will carry on chugging away quietly behind the scenes whether anyone cares or not. People who dropped off them when Max left miss the point, are Soulfly any better? Not by any means.

Kathaarian · **Posted:** Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:15 pm

I might give this a shot in the future, I am not really rushing it because I don't expect it to be any good.

I agree with Zad on one point, the reviewer should have been able to compare this to their previous efforts and Soulfly's last album.

rio · **Posted:** Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:16 pm

For me, ever since Chaos AD they've been a thoroughly "bog standard" band, though. From the review it seems very unlikely that that will have changed :x

Goat · **Posted:** Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:22 pm

rio wrote:

For me, ever since Chaos AD they've been a thoroughly "bog standard" band, though. From the review it seems very unlikely that that will have changed :x

What I said above, more or less, only less harsh. Have you heard anything from this?

rio · **Posted:** Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:24 pm

Zad wrote:

rio wrote:

For me, ever since Chaos AD they've been a thoroughly "bog standard" band, though. From the review it seems very unlikely that that will have changed :x

What I said above, more or less, only less harsh. Have you heard anything from this?

Umm, was that song that was downloadable a week or so from this one?

Goat · **Posted:** Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:27 pm

rio wrote:

Zad wrote:

rio wrote:

For me, ever since Chaos AD they've been a thoroughly "bog standard" band, though. From the review it seems very unlikely that that will have changed :x

What I said above, more or less, only less harsh. Have you heard anything from this?

Umm, was that song that was downloadable a week or so from this one?

Convicted In Life ?

Radagast · **Posted:** Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:28 pm

Zad wrote:

It's a step forwards from Roorback. In truth, Sepultura are one of those bands who will carry on chugging away quietly behind the scenes whether anyone cares or not. People who dropped off them when Max left miss the point, are Soulfly any better? Not by any means.

Max took all his suck with him to Soulfly (that guy lost it spectacularly), but Sep managed to find new ways to suck without his help.

rio · **Posted:** Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:30 pm

Zad wrote:

rio wrote:

Zad wrote:

rio wrote:

For me, ever since Chaos AD they've been a thoroughly "bog standard" band, though. From the review it seems very unlikely that that will have changed :x

What I said above, more or less, only less harsh. Have you heard anything from this?

Umm, was that song that was downloadable a week or so from this one?

Convicted In Life ?

Oh yeah. Already (for)got it

Anonymous · **Posted:** Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:37 pm

Zad wrote:

I've noticed you do this a fair bit, claim not to be a particular fan of a band, then give them an average score. I say again, so why are you the one reviewing it? Surely it would make much more sense for someone who is a fan to review it?

Part of being a reviewer includes reviewing albums and bands that you aren't neccesarily a "fan of." Of all the reviewers who write on a consistent basis, I can't really think of anyone who is a fan of Sepultura. Therefore, this album would have gone unreviewed under the "review it only if you're a fan" concept. I can also tell you that a lot, and I mean a lot of stuff would go unreviewed here if we all did that. For one thing, demos and indie reviews would almost be non existent. Also, it would follow that there would be very few quotes below 75 or 80 if we only reviewed bands that we are fans of. As a reviewer, you have to be willing to expand your horizons beyond only the bands you are currently a fan of.

Goat · **Posted:** Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:41 pm

Mike @ MetalReviews wrote:

Zad wrote:

I've noticed you do this a fair bit, claim not to be a particular fan of a band, then give them an average score. I say again, so why are you the one reviewing it? Surely it would make much more sense for someone who is a fan to review it?

Part of being a reviewer includes reviewing albums and bands that you aren't neccesarily a "fan of." Of all the reviewers who write on a consistent basis, I can't really think of anyone who is a fan of Sepultura. Therefore, this album would have gone unreviewed under the "review it only if you're a fan" concept. I can also tell you that a lot, and I mean a lot of stuff would go unreviewed here if we all did that. For one thing, demos and indie reviews would almost be non existent. Also, it would follow that there would be very few quotes below 75 or 80 if we only reviewed bands that we are fans of. As a reviewer, you have to be willing to expand your horizons beyond only the bands you are currently a fan of.

It just seemed like you were saying you weren't really interested in the band, and didn't seem fair. I see your point...

Eyesore · **Posted:** Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:02 pm

Zad wrote:

I've noticed you do this a fair bit, claim not to be a particular fan of a band, then give them an average score. I say again, so why are you the one reviewing it? Surely it would make much more sense for someone who is a fan to review it?

Why? An objective reviewer should be able to review anything. If he immediately says he's not a fan of the band, but still gives an objective review, how is that bad? You think it's biased because the score is not as high as you'd put it? It's a goddamn review, dude! You can't review everything you like!

EDIT: I see that Mike beat me to it, in a friendlier way. :roll:

Goat · **Posted:** Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:13 pm

Eyesore wrote:

Zad wrote:

I've noticed you do this a fair bit, claim not to be a particular fan of a band, then give them an average score. I say again, so why are you the one reviewing it? Surely it would make much more sense for someone who is a fan to review it?

Why? An objective reviewer should be able to review anything. If he immediately says he's not a fan of the band, but still gives an objective review, how is that bad? You think it's biased because the score is not as high as you'd put it? It's a goddamn review, dude! You can't review everything you like!

EDIT: I see that Mike beat me to it, in a friendlier way. :roll:

The first few sentences of the review felt rather hostile, that's all. I quote:

Mike wrote:

I don’t know if this review is going to hold more credence if I told I am the last thing you can call a Sepultura fan. Somehow I never caught up with the band’s proto-death metal, rise to prominence with their modern brand of thrash, line-up crisis and fall from the popularity grace. I used to have a friend, so completely non-metal, but he was into Sepultura, Roots and before era, and he really tried to hook me with it, all to no avail.

And looking objectively, it is better than Nation, so deserves a higher score, no?

lizardtail · **Posted:** Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:18 pm

Zad wrote:

And looking objectively, it is better than Nation, so deserves a higher score, no?

you just blew my mind

Goat · **Posted:** Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:20 pm

lizardtail wrote:

Zad wrote:

And looking objectively, it is better than Nation, so deserves a higher score, no?

you just blew my mind

You think Nation's better?

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