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 Post subject: 'Maxdmyz - Cosmic Hearse (#6488)'
PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:07 pm 
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Maxdmyz - Cosmic Hearse
'Industrial Metal'
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:24 pm 
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You're right, you're not qualified. Your editor should know better than to give CD's to reviewers quoting the wrong genre and are musically inept. Stop waisting your time reviewing material that you know are the wrong person to do it. We would love to sit down with you over a beer for you to discuss what you think is wrong, with actual justification over your comments.


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I always like it when band members try and fail to defend their works on the internet.


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Haha now I'm half tempted to check this out.


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Karmakosmonaut wrote:
I always like it when band members try and fail to defend their works on the internet.


+1 :lol:

but he's kinda right though, the review is something like this:

"I thouht this was industrial metal, but it isnt so i dont know what to think about it, so anyway check this out if you're open minded"


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Maxdmyz wrote:
Your editor should know better than to give CD's to reviewers quoting the wrong genre and are musically inept.
You should have a chat with your promo guy then because he claimed it was Industrial Metal. If only this review had sunk into the depths of time . . .

Fun story though, I later realized it was just nu-metal, and that I hadn't really listened to enough 90s "Metal" to realize such.

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Out of curiosity, do you often invite people you think are idiots to have a beer with you?


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xexyzl wrote:
Out of curiosity, do you often invite people you think are idiots to have a beer with you?


Sure, sometimes you might find out they're not such an idiot. :D


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Out of curiosity, do you often invite people you think are idiots to have a beer with you?


Yes we do, we want to see if they have the balls to say what is wrong with our stuff, with proper justifications. Instead of trolling behind the safety of their computer screen.
Hey, if we are doing something wrong, we want to know so we can do something about it.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 3:43 pm 
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Publishing reviews of anything on the internet is a responsibility, as obviously pretty much anyone can see them. I slag any number of things off as much as the next person over a beer in a pub for my and my friends' amusement - as many of us do, I guess. But, once other people can see what you've written, it's different. In part, readers might actually be visiting your site to get informed about releases they might be interested in checking out. And they deserve better than they (or Maxdmyz) received at the hands of your review.

If I commissioned a review, say, of the iphone, I would want the writer to know about the subject - to be a journalist specialising in the field. Just being able to use an iphone does not make you an expert on it - likewise, being a fan, listening to music - even if you love it to death - does not qualify you to write a review. Simply having tastes and strong likes and dislikes is not enough.

I used to review bands and LPs etc. The approach I always took was as follows. I would distinguish between my taste, and what someone potentially interested in the band might want to know. It really is poor journalism when the writer is more concerned at highlighting his cleverness or wit - rather than illuminating the subject under discussion (it's a cheap laugh, especially when you're sheltering behind a mouse).

Now, there's no accounting for taste - I would readily agree that Cindy Crawford is more beautiful than Brigitte Fonda objectively speaking - but I'd still rather spend the night with Brigitte. So, Freddie Mercury in terms of dynamic, range and technique is vastly the vocal superior of Bob Dylan - but Freddie makes my teeth hurt and I love Bob. To conclude, if you still can't tell the difference between taste and objectivity - if someone asked me to commission a history of the seminal moments of the last twenty years of metal, Korn's first album would be one of the first I'd mention - but, do I want to listen to it, the answer's no? Geddit?

But I wouldn't waste my readers' time in telling them that, as they deserve to hear an objective account, rather than me self-indulgently foisting on them my likes and dislikes - or if they do want to hear what the reviewer thinks he or she should be honest and civil enough to make the distinction clear. What you need to do in future is commission reviewers who will judge a band on its own terms, against some more objective criteria, and try to adopt the point of view of a reader who potentially might like the band. The review should be concentrating on whether, according to the conventions of the genre the band sits in, they are doing well or badly - that's why the reviewer has to be qualified to make his or her comments. It would appear this reviewer is quite young. and maybe lacks a certain knowledge of the world, so I can easily forgive him - but what of his elders if not betters (I don't think he's an idiot, incidentally - I have no right to make that judgement (I don't know the guy) - but the review is idiotic.

A review should give reasons for the comments it makes, so that interested potential listeners can make their own judgement on whether they want to check the band out or not. The problem is that as he says he is not qualified. Can he tell if the vocals were double tracked, or if the drums were quantised - I doubt it? As it happens the answer is yes and no, respectively. I'm the singer so let me address his points about the vocals.

The term hilarious is one which implies a value judgement - most people immersed in the genre and liking this kind of music wouldn't find it funny - and that's whom you should be writing for. So don't use the word - it's waffle. As for bad, that can imply a value judgement too - but that's not what I think your reviewer meant. The vocals were double tracked, which is a technically difficult thing to do - the range is over four octaves, which is remarkable. The vocals show proficiency in a range of styles - barking, growling, shouting and, yes, singing. All the notes are in tune - and the lyrics are intelligent and on a range of topics, not always addressed in metal (so developing the genre). The dynamic range is also impressive. And all this without cheating in the studio. The reviewer may not like it - fine, but as a punter I'm not interested in what he might think, I'm interested in the music and whether I might like it or not. His not liking it doesn't leave me any the wiser about the tunes - but that's because he's more interested in drawing attention to his own ingenuity (actually in this case ignorance, arrogance and rudeness). The reviewer should work as hard at his craft as we do at ours - but reviewer. band and reader alike have all been let down editorially (presumably the kid wasn't paid for writing this - if he were, you (along with your readers) were ripped off. You shouldn't have commissioned this reviewer or published this review. It's not that the reviewer doesn't like the band - it's that he doesn't give reasons. I've had bad, well-written and constructive reviews in the past which have really helped us build and get better, incidentally. Crucially, they were respectful and took into account what we were trying to do - even if were failing.

And, lastly, while I love the internet, sometimes the standard of debate is poor, and descends into insult and abuse masquerading as exchange of ideas. People seem to have a lot of spare cruelty, which they love to inflict on others. The point about the reviewer sharing a drink with us is that I'm sure face-to-face he wouldn't express himself so disparagingly - next time he writes a review, he should retain a tone of respect, which I'm sure he would afford us if we were in the same room - the kind of review currently in question just debases the currency of the web - and as I say, your readers and my band deserve better.

To see a better written review of Cosmic Hearse click http://www.metal-rules.com/review/viewr ... 010&pos=54 (it was written by an actual musician).[/url]


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 6:39 pm 
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Cosmic Hearse is the name of my favourite music blog!


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This could get really interesting.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:12 pm 
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If it's really that unjust to you I can delete it. It is one of my worst reviews thus far after all.

You see, I was obligated to write something about it after deciding to take the promo, but was at a loss as to what to say. I was no more qualified to review it than I was a Jazz album, and as you said, one can enjoy something but not be able to adequately write about it. So really it was more a matter of simultaneously trying to come off as critical and pandering, which even at the time I wrote it knew never worked.

However, I still am somewhat miffed that you would profess yourself to be Industrial Metal band. As I wrote in my review, I didn't know WHAT it was, only that it wasn't what I thought of as Industrial Metal (either the popular or true definition of the term) and that I wasn't particularly fond of it. The point being that if you were a Metalcore band and sent in a promo claiming to be old-school Gothenburg Melodeath, please do not be surprised when an unknowing reviewer slams you for being a genre he dislikes.

Also out of curiosity, what do you consider your music to be, and what are some of your favorites/influences?


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There's a lot of Korn in this shit.








Now that's trolling behind the safety of my computer screen.


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GeneralDiomedes wrote:
There's a lot of Korn in this shit.








Now that's trolling behind the safety of my computer screen.


Well played, sir.


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If it's really that unjust to you I can delete it. It is one of my worst reviews thus far after all.

You see, I was obligated to write something about it after deciding to take the promo, but was at a loss as to what to say. I was no more qualified to review it than I was a Jazz album, and as you said, one can enjoy something but not be able to adequately write about it. So really it was more a matter of simultaneously trying to come off as critical and pandering, which even at the time I wrote it knew never worked.

However, I still am somewhat miffed that you would profess yourself to be Industrial Metal band. As I wrote in my review, I didn't know WHAT it was, only that it wasn't what I thought of as Industrial Metal (either the popular or true definition of the term) and that I wasn't particularly fond of it. The point being that if you were a Metalcore band and sent in a promo claiming to be old-school Gothenburg Melodeath, please do not be surprised when an unknowing reviewer slams you for being a genre he dislikes.

Also out of curiosity, what do you consider your music to be, and what are some of your favorites/influences?



To be fair, something tells me that all that "qualified / not qualified to review this" BS would not be an issue if the review was summed up with:
"This fucking rules, these guys are great, buy it or forever remain a virgin and a loser", even if the reviewer admitted not being qualified; but since it got a fairly negative review, well, you saw what happened.


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Maxdmyz wrote:
To see a better written review of Cosmic Hearse click http://www.metal-rules.com/review/viewr ... 010&pos=54 (it was written by an actual musician).[/url]


That's actually not that great of a review. It's two very short paragraphs.


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What he wrote is basically how I feel about the newer reviewers. Less comments on you're qualifications and snobbish internet witticisms and respond to the actual music. Chopping off all but the second paragraph would've been a hell of a lot better.

As for this band, it's like this weird mix of downtuned groove metal and radio rock. Actually it reminds me a lot like Labrie from DT's rapping moments. It's very eclectic, almost hodge podge but it's interesting.


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Uh... well, "interesting" is one way to put it.

I would probably just say "What the fuck?"


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What he wrote is basically how I feel about the newer reviewers. Less comments on you're qualifications and snobbish internet witticisms and respond to the actual music. Chopping off all but the second paragraph would've been a hell of a lot better.
So you'd prefer I not qualify it at all and be lambasted even more? Or are you taking the "don't review it at all if you aren't confident in your opinion" route? Let me tell you, I'd much rather do the second but we're supposed to have 2 reviews a week which I feel forces me to push out crap reviews like this one. (Not to mention I've been falling behind due to stuff going on IRL)


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xexyzl wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
What he wrote is basically how I feel about the newer reviewers. Less comments on you're qualifications and snobbish internet witticisms and respond to the actual music. Chopping off all but the second paragraph would've been a hell of a lot better.
So you'd prefer I not qualify it at all and be lambasted even more? Or are you taking the "don't review it at all if you aren't confident in your opinion" route? Let me tell you, I'd much rather do the second but we're supposed to have 2 reviews a week which I feel forces me to push out crap reviews like this one. (Not to mention I've been falling behind due to stuff going on IRL)


Speaking for myself rather than the site or any of the other reviewers: if you feel that doing two per week forces you to push out stuff you're not happy with, I'd rather you just focused on one. Quality over quantity etc.


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