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 Post subject: '.Editorial - Black Metal ist no longer Krieg (#5911)'
PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:04 pm 
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Is this a veiled dig at recent mr.com reviews of Iskra and Panopticon? :mad:


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I don't really care what Varg has to say in his blogs. He's a man, I change my opinion on some notable things weekly, for I'm only 20 years old. How old is Varg? Not sure but like I said, he's just a man, a man who is growing, getting older, hopefully wiser. I think Belus is a better title than "The White God" anyways and his reason for changing it is certainly understandable, he doesn't want people to get the wrong idea, why not change it?

The article is good and I somewhat agree with it, I think black metal should progress though. I like to see any genre progress. I definitley understand the sentiments represented in it though, black metal has definitely lost some of that edge and could only be re-captured through a true revival and a band or musician who's songwriting just outmatches the rest of the competition, which can definitely be done, but not easily.

I had been thinking about this sort of thing recently to as I've really been listening to a lot of black metal the past 4-5 months and have always been fascinated with the genre and history of it.


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Lost some edge? Heck, these days it seems Black Metal has no balls at all.

Good editorial, couldnt agree more.


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if I made a black metal band and started burning LDS (mormon) churches in there promised land would you guys respect me

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I don't mean to be rude, but this has to be the most offbase editorial I've read in my 6-7 years of reading material on this site.

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The vinyl version of the demo which that song came from was limited to a hundred copies, each containing a section of tape - if all hundred owners got together and somehow managed to reassemble the various pieces in the correct order, the right way around, they could hear an exclusive song. That, my friends, is Black Metal in a nutshell. The mere idea that a hundred people from around the world care enough to go to all that effort merely to hear a single song which is, most likely, not worth the effort - that sums up the genre, the passion, the devotion, the mystery, the sheer misanthropy for the human condition that people have nothing better to do with their lives - all part and parcel of the pure Black Metal experience.


Arrogance defined by black metal fans. They act as if this is the ONLY genre in the history of music that draws people from different regions into a singular cultural and musical hive. This has been the trend of music, poetry, etc for CENTURIES. Even in modern times, the same statement can be applied to Blues, Hip-Hop, Folk Music, etc. Hell, I've seen Eurotrash flock to underground Trance festivals. Just because you "embrace teh darkness" doesn't make you unique to any other musical relativism.

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What I am suggesting here is that modern Black Metal has gone from being the noblest, most heartfelt and interesting music that there is into a commercialised pastiche of itself. It was once at the forefront of the underground in even experimental terms, a thing so powerful and genuine that people committed serious crimes over it; now, even the headline figures have sold their souls to exterior forces.


LMFAO. Do you really think Dead offed himself because he foresaw Dimmu Borgir on MTV2? Varg killed Aarseth because he wanted to maintain the sanctity of fuzzy tremelo picking and high-pitched vox? Samoth and Faust torched churches and murdered homosexuals because they wanted to speak out against religious indoctrination? Of course the fuck not...They were a bunch of stringy-haired, attention-starved teens who wanted to make a statement in the scene. Even Necrobutcher stated that their actions were absurd and done for attention. In context, no different than a Emo Kid cutting himself or a Marilyn Manson fan shaving his head and wearing torn stockings and black lipstick.

God Forbid...er...oh wait, my fault...SATAN forbid, that maybe Maniac wants to buy a house for his family instead of living in an isolated cabin that would eventually become the album cover...Forsake Frost and Satyr for wanting to play outside of the same smelly Norwegian shitholes and wanting to better themselves. Or maybe Ihsahn has gone as far as he can go with Emperor, and wants to play Progressive, diverse music.
I don't understand the stigma against wanting to be more than just the same album over and over again, or desiring to move beyond having to work 2 jobs just to afford the instruments and equipment to play in the same vicious circle week in and week out.



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I thought the extreme right were proud of their views, but when put between a rock and a hard place, or in this instance between nationalist pride in your superior white bloodline and the commercial concerns of a record label, money will win out every time.


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They revel in the edginess of the random violence of Black Metal, much as they would with Gangsta Rap, yet actual political statements horrify them, intruding on their safe worldview and sanitised ideal of what music should and shouldn't say.


The most sensible statement made so far. But then you bring it all crashing back down in your conclusion. I respect the genre as an art form, but that's it. It's not this free-of-societal binds culture than some idealize it to be. It has a hierarchy, it has a lack of flexibility, and like most art forms/cultural movements, it has its share of freaking idiots. The "tool" and "sellout" words are thrown around too liberally towards anyone who wants to branch out (Ihsahn, Satyr, Abbath). Maybe, just maybe, it's possible that the arrogance and nonsense of some of the "troo kvlt" BM'ers is what drove so many out of the movement?


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great post deathscream, completely agree.


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I think Deathscream has run off with the wrong end of the stick, actually. I never said that Black Metal shouldn't progress, just that progression due to political influence is a harmful cancer. The sellouts I mentioned I explained - where are you getting Ihsahn from? Keep Of Kalessin, by going on Eurovision, Burzum, by giving into liberal values, and Hate Forest/Drudkh/Blood Of Kingu and Kroda by denying their beliefs to sell records. Read the second-to-last paragraph again - I'm equating DHG and Darkthrone as compared to bands with a clear political agenda, not criticising all progression.

As for Black Metal being equivalent to other genres in spirituality, I'd disagree, with room allowed for certain exceptions. Any musical path born in so much bloodshed - and one so young! - has strong feelings behind it, and equating churchburning with the way that Maz Manson fans dress is missing the point. Not that churchburning is a good thing, of course.


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good editorial, though I disagree that the blackest and most pure form of the genre is to be found in the underground. It seems the more underground you go in black metal the progressively worse it gets, bedroom production in all.. The genre really in and of itself is a load of hypocrisy, they sing about death and hatred, murder and all of that jazz. But if they truly advocated save the acts of the Norwegians in the early nineties, the nightly news would be swamped with the news of collected suicides of guys wearing corpsepaint.


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stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
good editorial, though I disagree that the blackest and most pure form of the genre is to be found in the underground. It seems the more underground you go in black metal the progressively worse it gets, bedroom production in all.. The genre really in and of itself is a load of hypocrisy, they sing about death and hatred, murder and all of that jazz. But if they truly advocated save the acts of the Norwegians in the early nineties, the nightly news would be swamped with the news of collected suicides of guys wearing corpsepaint.


the music keeps them alive my friend.


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Someone needs to send out copies of the Happy Mondays to these guys.

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I really don't buy this whole ideological purity thing. It seems like Zadok is claiming that BM in its original form had no agenda or ideology, or at least no political ideology. Yes they were just kids at the time, but from what I've read as far as interviews, BM, perhaps MORE so than any other genre of music, has a heritage of well defined social and political views. Be it Nihilism, satanism, or a desire to get in touch with the pre-christian roots of one's culture, the original Scandinavian scene was very much about politics and ideology. In any case, I do not agree that such an agenda, whether BM has one or not, detracts from the artistic merit of any art form, even if one of the goals is to appeal to a wider audience. To the contrary, I think it can make it more sincere and adds depth. The alternative is the current trend in art and music to obscure any meaning behind layers of irony and sarcasm to the point where there needn't be any message under there at all, people just trust that some kind of thought went into it at some stage in its creation. What I take away from your interpretation is only that the genre has evolved and branched off, and maybe deserves a new categorization or two, and there's nothing wrong with that. How do you think BM came about? It stemmed from an evolution of the "pure" artistic and ideological blueprint of some earlier genre.


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Welcome, and wise words, MetalFace.


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stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
... The genre really in and of itself is a load of hypocrisy, they sing about death and hatred, murder and all of that jazz. But if they truly advocated save the acts of the Norwegians in the early nineties, the nightly news would be swamped with the news of collected suicides of guys wearing corpsepaint.


You could say the same about Brutal Death Metal... do those guys go around murdering and raping pregnant women and gargling fetuses?

Anyway, fuck politics; fuck scenes. I don't need anybody telling me what to think, how to dress and what is wrong or right. If the music appeals to my ears and given mood, that is all that matters.


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Who can possibly say what those guys get up to when they aren't on stage.


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I dislike politics being brought to the front page. I always thought the website was apolitical.


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Karmakosmonaut wrote:
I dislike politics being brought to the front page. I always thought the website was apolitical.


The entire point of the editorial is to be apolitical, if I understood it correctly. It's saying explicitly that BM shouldn't be political.


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What I am suggesting here is that modern Black Metal has gone from being the noblest, most heartfelt and interesting music that there is into a commercialised pastiche of itself.


Hasn't every genre of music had this said about it? lol

I don't think political or religious philosophies can or should be attached to music genres, and they definitely don't effect the quality of music so who cares (Christians get angry and sad in ways that drive them to make scary music, too. OH MY!)

Also have you read much about Wolves in the Throne Room's philosophy? I'd hardly call it toothless (CUTE PUN BTW) since it's pretty misanthropic and their environmentalism involves the elimination of 90% of humanity.


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rio wrote:
Karmakosmonaut wrote:
I dislike politics being brought to the front page. I always thought the website was apolitical.


The entire point of the editorial is to be apolitical, if I understood it correctly. It's saying explicitly that BM shouldn't be political.


Yeah, right... only thing is, the perquisite Varg bashing just couldn't be helped, eh? Whiny and self contradictory?

So stock and so predictable it's become a bore to even read anyting about the man, due to the usual "hes' worse than Hitler" (or is he worse than Stalin?) rhetoric... just once, I'd like to see an objective article in which Varg comes up.


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cry of the banshee wrote:
rio wrote:
Karmakosmonaut wrote:
I dislike politics being brought to the front page. I always thought the website was apolitical.


The entire point of the editorial is to be apolitical, if I understood it correctly. It's saying explicitly that BM shouldn't be political.


Yeah, right... only thing is, the perquisite Varg bashing just couldn't be helped, eh? Whiny and self contradictory?

So stock and so predictable it's become a bore to even read anyting about the man, due to the usual "hes' worse than Hitler" (or is he worse than Stalin?) rhetoric... just once, I'd like to see an objective article in which Varg comes up.


To be fair though he's not really saying that. He's criticising Varg for wussing out on his positions, not for holding them in the first place.


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